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Help Mac Pack...are we going to repeat history?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:04 pm
I don't honestly post that much. And I am not very old (26), but can none of you realize a trend in LSU history?
Help Mac Pack...fire Miles...where is the difference? And how did that end up for us? How did the firing of Phil Fulmer at Tennessee or Tommy Tubberville at Auburn treat those programs? I don't think, from what I read on here, most of you would be around if we had to go through some of the seasons those universities have had to go through.
In my opinion we are in a very similar situation. Charlie Mac was fired bc he couldn't beat Bear Bryant and also struggled against Ole Miss. After Mac left we won exactly 2 conference championships in 20 years and had an overall record of 125-99.
In any case, Les Miles has the ability to have more success at LSU than even Cholly Mac had. He has already won as many SEC championships and has a National title in two appearances to boot.
Maybe I have a different point of view because I became a fan of LSU football when we were terrible, suffering through the Curly Hulman years. I can remember when we lost to Florida 58-3 at home in 1993. Bowl games through my first few years of fandom were a thing of legend.
This is the best period in LSU football history. I will not argue that Nick Saban is not a better coach, but I am enjoying these years. Sure it is frustrating that we have lost some games we had no business losing. But I think if you look back, you could say that at any point in LSU's football history. We are in the title hunt, if not every year, but most years. And can we agree that that is awesome?
Enjoy this time. It doesn't come around very often.
Help Mac Pack...fire Miles...where is the difference? And how did that end up for us? How did the firing of Phil Fulmer at Tennessee or Tommy Tubberville at Auburn treat those programs? I don't think, from what I read on here, most of you would be around if we had to go through some of the seasons those universities have had to go through.
In my opinion we are in a very similar situation. Charlie Mac was fired bc he couldn't beat Bear Bryant and also struggled against Ole Miss. After Mac left we won exactly 2 conference championships in 20 years and had an overall record of 125-99.
In any case, Les Miles has the ability to have more success at LSU than even Cholly Mac had. He has already won as many SEC championships and has a National title in two appearances to boot.
Maybe I have a different point of view because I became a fan of LSU football when we were terrible, suffering through the Curly Hulman years. I can remember when we lost to Florida 58-3 at home in 1993. Bowl games through my first few years of fandom were a thing of legend.
This is the best period in LSU football history. I will not argue that Nick Saban is not a better coach, but I am enjoying these years. Sure it is frustrating that we have lost some games we had no business losing. But I think if you look back, you could say that at any point in LSU's football history. We are in the title hunt, if not every year, but most years. And can we agree that that is awesome?
Enjoy this time. It doesn't come around very often.
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Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:10 pm to jbrau22
wisdom has no place here 
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:18 pm to jbrau22
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In my opinion we are in a very similar situation. Charlie Mac was fired bc he couldn't beat Bear Bryant and also struggled against Ole Miss. After Mac left we won exactly 2 conference championships in 20 years and had an overall record of 125-99.
I saw my first game in '70 so I grew up on the Mac years. While there are some parallels, there are also some big differences:
a) The SEC is integrated now. It wasn't until the latter years of Mac's tenure and only partially so at that. I mention this because Les has a much better recruiting base than did Mac.
b) In those days, the emphasis was on defeating rivals (mostly OM and Tulane) and bowl bids more so than it is on championships as today.
c) Mac did beat Bear in '69 & '70. After that, it was nine straights defeats and it was evident that with Mac we would usually be no better than 9-2. IMO, that where the parallel with Les's era warrants comparison.
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This is the best period in LSU football history.
Yep - but we fans see no reason it can't be even better regardless of what happened in the Mac era.
ETA: Any talk of firing Les is utterly premature. But to further respond, just because LSU hired a string of duds (as did UTenn) doesn't mean that it repeats itself.
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:22 pm to AlwysATgr
You are exactly right We all need to pull together and support the Tigers and Our Coach the rest of the season 100%
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:24 pm to jbrau22
I'm worried we might. Mac started his career really well in the 60s then we got stuck in mediocrity.
Sound familiar?
Sound familiar?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:34 pm to The Boat
Just to be sure...10-2 every year would be your opinion of mediocrity?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:38 pm to jbrau22
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Curly Hulman
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:39 pm to jbrau22
Mediocrity is relative. 10-2 every year for Kentucky is not mediocre. It may be for LSU.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:41 pm to jbrau22
Why wait till Miles falls flat on his face it's painfully evident that he has peaked with our top recruits leaving for other States the last couple years. Buy him out and keep a top notch coach in here ASAP
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:51 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Mediocrity is relative. 10-2 every year for Kentucky is not mediocre. It may be for LSU
Just to play devils advocate what about LSUs history says that 10-2 is anything but outstanding for LSU. Before Les there was only 7 LSU teams that reached 10 wins. Les has had 6 10 win seasons and 5 11 win seasons (the modern equivalent to old 10 win seasons 9-2 plus a bowl win in the 60s)
13 times in LSU history in 120 years of football 81 of which in the SEC. Les has 6 of them.
1 NC in the prior 100 some odd years then 2 in ten. One of which was Les'.
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:54 pm to Adam Banks
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Adam Banks
It should be mentioned that <'70, teams played a 10 game regular season. The fact that we're playing 12 game regular season affords a better opportunity to win 10 games.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:54 pm to Adam Banks
Scheduling is a little different now, no?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 11:57 pm to jbrau22
At LSU Bert Jones shared QB duties with another quarterback who would come in and run the option.
Bert Jones was the passing QB, and Lyons, I think Paul Lyons was the running QB, ok.
Bill Belichick said of Jones," As a pure passer I don't think I could put anybody ahead of Bert Jones. I know he had a short career and the shoulder injury, but when I was there (in Baltimore) and he was just starting his career, the success that he had and his ability to throw the ball as a pure passer and as an athlete, it would be hard to put anybody ahead of Bert Jones at that point in time."
And Cholly Mac's passing philosophy was "only three things can happen when you pass the ball and two of them are bad"....
Yeah 2-14 against Bryant was one thing, not recognizing and utilizing talent is another which was the case with Bert Jones.
Bert Jones was the passing QB, and Lyons, I think Paul Lyons was the running QB, ok.
Bill Belichick said of Jones," As a pure passer I don't think I could put anybody ahead of Bert Jones. I know he had a short career and the shoulder injury, but when I was there (in Baltimore) and he was just starting his career, the success that he had and his ability to throw the ball as a pure passer and as an athlete, it would be hard to put anybody ahead of Bert Jones at that point in time."
And Cholly Mac's passing philosophy was "only three things can happen when you pass the ball and two of them are bad"....
Yeah 2-14 against Bryant was one thing, not recognizing and utilizing talent is another which was the case with Bert Jones.
This post was edited on 10/23/13 at 12:02 am
Posted on 10/23/13 at 12:03 am to Mo Jeaux
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Scheduling is a little different now, no?
1950 went 4-5-2 and played the likes of Pacific and Vilinova.
In 2011 we went 13-1 and beat the rose bowl orange bowl and national champions.
I could see the argument if we were going 9-3 and getting the bowl to go 10-3 but Les has been putting 11 win seasons together.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 12:05 am to Adam Banks
Did your hair get messed up when the point flew over your head?
Posted on 10/23/13 at 12:07 am to Adam Banks
Not sure why 1950 was chosen.
I think our point is that to frame Les's performance in terms of "10-win" seasons against our overall history is a bit disingenuous since the number of regular season games is more now.
I think our point is that to frame Les's performance in terms of "10-win" seasons against our overall history is a bit disingenuous since the number of regular season games is more now.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 12:14 am to AlwysATgr
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Not sure why 1950 was chosen.
Because 11 games was ~ the standard starting in the 50s and definitely from the 60s on. You could go 9-2 win your bowl and have a 10 win season. Les has gone 10-2 and won his bowl to go 11-2 in all but 1 of his 10 win seasons. So at the very least five of his seasons is equivalent to the LSU's seven past ten win seasons.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 12:15 am to jbrau22
Les > Mac
which makes your point i guess
which makes your point i guess
Posted on 10/23/13 at 12:21 am to SammyTiger
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Les > Mac
which makes your point i guess
Les' on the field results>all but 7 seasons in LSU history. In other words he has been the greatest coach in LSU history. He may not be the most talented, but he has accomplished as much or more AT LSU than any coach who has walked the home sideline in Tiger Stadium. The results speak for themselves.
This does not mean Im not pissed about the Ole miss game, clock blunders, not attempting Lee in the title game, etc.
This post was edited on 10/23/13 at 12:22 am
Posted on 10/23/13 at 12:23 am to Adam Banks
I don't think we played 11 game regular seasons through the 60's. In '69 we went 9-1 (only loss to OM), but didn't get a bowl bid.
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