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HIGHEST GRADE Amin Elhassan, ESPN Insider: A-. I loved the Holiday pickup as a high-level point guard to run the show; I think the Anthony Morrow and Greg Stiemsma signings were two of the most underrated free-agency pickups this summer. I like Evans as a player, and even though I question his fit with the roster, his outsized contract is where I detracted points.
LOWEST GRADEEthan Sherwood Strauss, ESPN Insider: C. I hated the Nerlens Noel trade, in part because I doubt Holiday is an All-Star in more than a technical sense. The addition of Evans made sense to me because anyone on the Kings is likely an underdeveloped talent.


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Austin Rivers will play fewer than 15 minutes per game. Given his horrific rookie campaign -- 37 percent shooting, a PER of 5.9 -- it's hard to envision a deeper free fall for Doc's progeny. That's not to say he'll never figure it out, but with Evans, Gordon, Holiday, Anthony Morrow and Brian Roberts in the stable, it just won't be in New Orleans.

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They'll have a new coach some time this season. I put Williams on my hot seat list because I have doubts as to whether a devout slow-tempo coach can shift gears overnight and coach a roster built to go fast.

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How about three? They'll make the playoffs, Davis will be an All-Star and Evans won't complain about coming off the bench.







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They'll have a new coach some time this season. I put Williams on my hot seat list because I have doubts as to whether a devout slow-tempo coach can shift gears overnight and coach a roster built to go fast.


I'm not buying this at all. People think fast pace and they think hurry up offense, but fast pace is most commonly accomplished with transition offense which is set up by your defense. The way the team is forcing turnovers in preseason is an indication of the direction things are headed. They'll be disruptive and get quite a few points in transition leading to a faster pace. So Monty can "go fast" with the same philosophy he's always had of defense first. Defense first doesn't always have to look like the ugly 90's Knicks that got the rules changed.






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The predictions are fair enough, imo. I just think the Pelicans will do better than most people suspect they will (barring substantial injury problems).





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I'm not buying this at all. People think fast pace and they think hurry up offense, but fast pace is most commonly accomplished with transition offense which is set up by your defense. The way the team is forcing turnovers in preseason is an indication of the direction things are headed. They'll be disruptive and get quite a few points in transition leading to a faster pace. So Monty can "go fast" with the same philosophy he's always had of defense first. Defense first doesn't always have to look like the ugly 90's Knicks that got the rules changed.


Totally agree. I'm kind of embarassed for some of these writers/commentators. It's obvious they don't know a hell of a lot about the roster. I suppose there's always a chance it can crash and burn but it's not happening. These are not a bunch of J.R. Smith characters. Sounds cliche but there are a ton of high characer guys on this team (Jrue, Ryno, AD, Smith, AR - hell almost everyone). The beauty of it all is Monty might not be the best X's and O's coach in the league but I think he's a man of character and, more importantly, players want to play for him.

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I hated the Nerlens Noel trade, in part because I doubt Holiday is an All-Star in more than a technical sense.


I don't even know what this means. We are talking about a skinny center with one knee and no offensive game to speak of and a pick in the late teen's. I really couldn't care less if Jrue is an all star or not. With the weapons we should have, he probably won't score 18 a night. To base an opinion on him being an all star or not is just short sighted and dumb.






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They need to learn to say yet hate the trade because it involved potentially losing a top 10 pick (won't happen). They don't hate Holiday for Noel. They hate the pick that's involved. But come the end of this year they won't hate it too much.





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People think fast pace and they think hurry up offense, but fast pace is most commonly accomplished with transition offense which is set up by your defense. The way the team is forcing turnovers in preseason is an indication of the direction things are headed. They'll be disruptive and get quite a few points in transition leading to a faster pace.

The Prince.

I'm loving AFA's role in the the starting group. Hell, with what he's been bringing as far as disruption this preseason, he'll be a huge boost to any unit's defense. He seems to have worked on improving his strengths as opposed to becoming something he's not.

Pick-pocketing KD multiple times






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Strauss: Have they found something in their anti-analytics approach? Evans and Holiday are both "name" guys who don't do so well when we dig deeper in the numbers, but guess what? Their prior situations were so bad that those stats could be deceiving. We're about to find out.

that's basically the key

i truly believe 100% that holiday's efficiency was killed by doug collins' offense (which basically forced players to do every inefficient thing imaginable). more drives, more 3s, and fewer 18 foot jumpers should have his efficiency rise a good bit

evans had an 18.16 PER last year. that's pretty good, and his PER likely will rise if he's allowed to play the ball dominant role off the bench (like he did his rookie year as a 0-guard)






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but fast pace is most commonly accomplished with transition offense which is set up by your defense.

yes

the heat play fast, but only when they're getting deflections/steals or some good opportunities off rebounds

last year there was only one fast break bezerker team, and they fired their coach






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Golden State is not a fast-break team?





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off turnovers and without bogut

were they forced to go small and run a bit last year without bogut? yes, but we'll see what happens with him (hopefully) playing a full season






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I hadn't previously heard of the 0-guard before, so I looked it up. According to Bill Simmons the 0-guard is best paired with spot up shooters (Anderson and Morrow), a pick and pop forward (Davis or Smith), and a rebounder (Aminu). It seems like this team is a perfect fit for a 0-guard.





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the neo-NBA has embraced the 0-guard

drives and 3s...drives and 3s






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They'll have a new coach some time this season. I put Williams on my hot seat list because I have doubts as to whether a devout slow-tempo coach can shift gears overnight and coach a roster built to go fast.


We definitely have to give him the whole season. This is the first time he's had talent since CP3 and DWest left.






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We definitely have to give him the whole season. This is the first time he's had talent since CP3 and DWest left.


I agree with this. We also need to go out and recruit ourselves a legitimate assistant coach by next year at least.






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We also need to go out and recruit ourselves a legitimate assistant coach by next year at least.


Is Randy Ayers still with the team?






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i say we demote monty to assistant and higher george karl





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According to Bill Simmons


This dude IS a grain of salt.






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i say we demote monty to assistant and higher george karl








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Is Randy Ayers still with the team?


Yes



How many teams have a head coach AND GM who get court time with their team?



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that's basically the key


Yup

And I would fire Monty in a heartbeat for George Karl. Karl would be a perfect coach for the players we have.

If this team underachieves in the first half, I can see Monty gone. There is too much money locked up long term in the good, young players we have. If he shows no signs of making it work you have to make a move and look ahead to developing players and a new gameplan for the next 3-4 years






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