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People complaining about defensive woes..

Posted on 10/3/13 at 9:24 pm
Posted by lsutiger2011
Georgia
Member since Jan 2009
1278 posts
Posted on 10/3/13 at 9:24 pm
I have seen a few say that they believe our players have regressed. They even bring up the fact of Sonic Sam and company regressing last year. I do think that the ones saying this are on to something. I posted sometime last year about how I thought our players always regressed the past few years. Jefferson, Montgomery, Mingo, Reid, Loston, Barrow, Hilliard, Blue, Hurst, Baker, Mills, Collins, and a lot of others have regressed over the years. I think some of these guys regressing was the coaching specifically the offensive players. This year only the backup running backs have looked worse, but all others have looked great. On defense we keep seeing a few guys regress every year.

I do believe Chavis is a really good coach, but is he as good as we think or has sheer talent made his defenses look great. When you have Mathieu, Peterson, Claiborne, Minter, etc. it's kind of hard to not have good defense.

I think we will continue to see players progress on offense with Cam here. Will we continue to see players regress on defense under Chavis?

To be continued...
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
53697 posts
Posted on 10/3/13 at 9:35 pm to
nah
Posted by Bengalroar
Member since Aug 2013
887 posts
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:47 pm to
quote:

Will we continue to see players regress on defense under Chavis?
Not sure that is possible. Maybe after they develop some.
Posted by tigerlore
Member since Feb 2013
217 posts
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:51 pm to
Well last year it was the offense and the poor passing game that was holding the Tigers back;this year the defense is suspect.It's maddening.
Posted by textigah
Cypress, Texas
Member since Jan 2012
253 posts
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:14 pm to
Yes, that's why so many of them ended up playing pro ball.

Posted by Dlab2013
Pineville, Luzianna
Member since Jun 2013
9219 posts
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:24 pm to
GeeeeeZuuussss! It was the Draft! We all think Cam is a great OC right? You don't think if he sees his fellow DC doing dumb shite easily exploited by other offensive coordinators he wouldn't say something? They know the problems, they'll try to fix them, Cheif isn't in this by himself
Posted by LSU METRY 82
Metairie
Member since Feb 2005
357 posts
Posted on 10/4/13 at 7:39 am to
Yea, they regressed on defense straight to the NFL!
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39078 posts
Posted on 10/4/13 at 7:43 am to
Look how much worse Minter got! During his freshman year he was among the elite third stringers in the nation. By the time he left he was barely good enough for the pros. Which brings up a point; why are the pros so interested in all of these regressing players.
Posted by TIGERFANZZ
THE Death Valley
Member since Nov 2007
4057 posts
Posted on 10/4/13 at 7:50 am to
Yes, the NFL loves the fact that LSU defensive players regress, that's why they make it a point to draft so many of them.
Not sure how your other 579 posts performed but I feel like #580 has regressed.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 10/4/13 at 7:55 am to
quote:

players have regressed


there may be a few players that have actually regressed, but not many. Typically what you're seeing are players who may have looked good in limited roles early on, but as time went on they weren't able to grow into a complete player. Another factor is who they were playing with, or next to, or who was blocking for them, etc. A DT playing next to a high draft pick compared to playing next to a first year starter, for example.
Posted by rumtumtiger
Georgia
Member since Sep 2008
1223 posts
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:09 am to
With all the losses we've experienced on defense to the NFL, I think we're about where we expected to be right now. We're just very spoiled because our defense has had some serious bragging rights for the last several years. We'll continue to get better but this year's D won't reach the level of past year's D....at least not this year.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56187 posts
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:36 am to
quote:

To be continued...
Cant wait
Posted by Bloodworth
North Ga
Member since Oct 2007
4000 posts
Posted on 10/4/13 at 10:15 am to
quote:

Not sure that is possible. Maybe after they develop some.




To the OP ... you are not the only one that feels this way. "The Chief" is not going to change anything about the way he handles things. How old is he? "The Chief" is comfortable making his money as DC at LSU.

As has been said many times before, its easy to look good with All Americans running around the field as has been the case here alot.

Is "The Chief" coaching up the current talent? I say no. I see nothing new or different from game to game about the way the current defense plays. As I said before, to change the current defense would make "The Chief" uncomfortable in his Tee Pee (pressbox).

I think that we are going to be stuck with "The Chief" for awhile. Les does not believe much in change as evidenced by the "manuric" offense that we all had to endure for years until Cam was hired to shake things up a little.

Because this is a forum and I can express my opinion, here is what I believe should happen:

I would set some expectations for "The Chief" regarding this current defense. Expecations that require some imagination and adjustments in order to be met. If these expectations are not met before the end of the season, LSU should move to bring in a fresh young defensive mind (like a Kirby Smart) to replace "The Chief".

There I said it. I have seen enough of "The Chief" and would like to see a shake up at the DC spot.

No disrespect to "The Chief" , Its just that he is what he is and will not change now or ever to overcome the current challenges. Maybe a fresh wave of All Americans will come and raise his star back up on their backs.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 10/4/13 at 10:42 am to
geez. we go from our players get worse the longer they are coached to we need to can our DC. the 12 yr olds are back.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 10/4/13 at 10:54 am to
Chavis may have gotten way too much credit for his aggressiveness.
His philosophy is not an aggressive one, but THE INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS were.

Time will tell. If players develop, Chavis deserves credit, if players do not develop as they should,
the individual players deserve the credit.

Bo Pellini got credit for a great D and he was overrated. His philosophy worked for one year and then, when the other teams figured it out, there was nothing else in the "imagination tank.

It takes a lot of ability to continue to come up with NEW strategies.

Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
8184 posts
Posted on 10/4/13 at 10:59 am to
quote:

lsutiger2011

You nailed it. Thank God we got rid of some of them to the NFL.
Posted by 0jersey
Paradise
Member since Sep 2006
1838 posts
Posted on 10/4/13 at 11:13 am to
You guys are ridiculous. What has changed is the players. The chemistry on that side of the ball just isn't quite there and that is a variable that know one can ever know until the season plays out.

Chavis knows how to coach well. His concepts are proven at LSU. Jesus, he has a bit of a bump in the road after losing a ton of underclassmen to the NFL and everyone wants him gone because we lost a shoot out on the road to a top ten team.

Bama's D from last yr got lit up by same UGA offense and this yr lit up by A&M. How about we let the year play out before searching for the next hottest thing?
Posted by Bloodworth
North Ga
Member since Oct 2007
4000 posts
Posted on 10/4/13 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

You guys are ridiculous. What has changed is the players. The chemistry on that side of the ball just isn't quite there and that is a variable that know one can ever know until the season plays out.


The season will play out. Do you see anybody on that side of the ball that is going to step up in a big way? Barrow, Mills, Collins, Loston, Welter, Ferguson, and Johnson are not new to playing time. They may not be the most talented players we have had but they should be improving dont you think? I just dont see alot of improvement on the field and I dont see much improvement in the pressbox either. Do I need to go into detail here?

What about this is hard to understand? This is not negative its just what I see. I think the Chief as a millionaire coach needs to show me more in his ability to maximize the performance out of the current players. It seems that Cam is doing a pretty good job doing it with the offense and none of those guys were All Americans last year.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10439 posts
Posted on 10/4/13 at 3:11 pm to
I think there is clearly regression at some positions, but I think in some cases it is on the players or injuries and other times on coaching.

I think Chavis, while a good LBer coach, is often overrated at it. Barrow has regressed, but when you lose leadership like Minter showed last season in can happen.

DL issues are youth and injuries.

Now DBs, I'd very much say the regression is from coaching, whether people want to believe it or not. Outside of Mills last season, every DB regressed. Literally every single one.

Reid, Simon, and Loston (outside of concussing himself). Mills was great, but clearly has regressed this year as have Collins and Martin.

Their ball awareness and coverage technique has just been very poor.

That said, youth and inexperience will be issues, and sometimes these players may be asked to do things that aren't their strengths.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
22188 posts
Posted on 10/4/13 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

They even bring up the fact of Sonic Sam and company regressing last year




I didn't see regression last year but I saw some high draft picks absolutely quit after the Bama loss.
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