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Zach Lowe on Davis


from an article on the most intriguing players this year

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F/C: Anthony Davis, New Orleans PelicansDavis is the exception to my rule against second-year players. The Pelicans had a fascinating offseason, shifting into "win now" mode in the potentially franchise-defining trade (for both franchises involved) of Nerlens Noel for Jrue Holiday, as well as capping themselves out behind a high-priced trio of ball-dominant players. It was a fun peek at one version of the team-building process — a kickoff point for wonky NBA debates.


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But it obscured the obvious big picture: If Davis can become one of the top five players in the league, the Pelicans will someday find the surrounding roster of a title contender. Davis will miss Greivis Vasquez's distribution skills, but there are still plenty of handlers here, and Davis has already made huge progress in the little tricks of footwork that will get him open looks near the basket. He got better last season at cutting to the rim on pick-and-rolls, using the sort of change-of-pace ballet any big needs to secure those juicy lob dunks. And when the Pellies used Ryan Anderson or Robin Lopez in the pick-and-roll, forcing Davis's man to slide into help position, Davis learned to shift into open spaces along the baseline.


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He's going to be a devastating off-ball force on offense. But to make The Leap, he'll need to develop more skills with the ball and actually become the sort of defender everyone is certain he can be. He was unsteady on defense last season, lunging too soon or too far to try to contain point guards on the pick-and-roll, biting on pump fakes, and looking at times almost as if he were running around on ice. But the instincts and the raw potential are there, and Monty Williams, the team's coach, has told me he's optimistic the team can survive defensively with the Davis-Anderson combination — especially with Holiday in Vasquez's place at the top.


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Davis didn't do much productive stuff with the ball last season, though Williams allowed him to handle it now and then at the elbows. He settled mostly for jumpers, which he shot nearly as poorly as Bledsoe, but he also showed he can drive by slower players with both hands. He'll have more space to do that if he gets extended time with Anderson hanging around the 3-point arc.


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Davis is just 20. The Pelicans are playing the long game here, even if they need to hang around the playoff race this season — to please their owner, Tom Benson, and to minimize the pain of sending a 2014 first-rounder to the Sixers. But the long game with Davis starts now.


Nothing earth shattering about Davis and his game. But a couple things stick out:

Monty is confident in Anderson/Davis frontcourt can work

He's still trying to make Pellies work







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quail man
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re: Zach Lowe on Davis


I'm glad he's writing so much about the Pelicans, but

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Pellies


frick him.






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BIGDAB
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Monty is confident in Anderson/Davis frontcourt can work


I think he's right.

I really can't beleive I'm this excited about basketball in general during the middle of football season. If the saints continue winning, and the Pels get off to a strong start it will be very fun times to be a sports fan in NOLA.






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chillygentilly
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re: Zach Lowe on Davis


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I'm not sure a single person outside Sacramento has thought about Thornton for more than 30 combined seconds since the Kings signed him to a four-year, $31 million contract in 2011.


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That's right: Marcus Thornton will make almost $17 million combined over the next two seasons. He might be the most anonymous highly paid player in the NBA.


I'm happy Lil' Buckets is getting paid, but damn, who was in charge of that deal?






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floridatigah
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Kings ownership/management had been asleep at the wheel for years. They seemed to love Thornton type players, nice stats, don't worry about how they fit in with others and how they played defense.





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brmark70816
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I'm happy Lil' Buckets is getting paid, but damn, who was in charge of that deal?


I will never get the logic on here. Anderson's deal is a bargain, but Thornton's deal is bad.. how does that work? They almost have the same contract. Thornton's is even a bit cheaper, but he is a better player than Anderson.






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Puddinhead
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but he is a better player than Anderson.


You're really never going to let go, are you Marcus?






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LasVegasBandit
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re: Zach Lowe on Davis


Zach Lowe

Bobby Hebert may be "Father of the Who Dat Nation", but Zachary Lowe is "Papa Pellie" in my book.



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LasVegasBandit
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I will never get the logic on here. Anderson's deal is a bargain, but Thornton's deal is bad.. how does that work? They almost have the same contract. Thornton's is even a bit cheaper, but he is a better player than Anderson.


Right. Let me guess, you're also a HUGE Monta Ellis fan?






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corndeaux
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We know you dont think stretch 4s are valuable.

But there is no world where Thornton is better than Anderson.






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ThePistol
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re: Zach Lowe on Davis


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but he is a better player than Anderson.






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saintsfan92612
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re: Zach Lowe on Davis


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but he is a better player than Anderson.




I love Marcus, but wow.






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JohnnyKilroy
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Marcus is one of my favorite hornets we've ever had.


I'll take Flamethrower over him every damn day.






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brmark70816
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I love Marcus, but wow.


It's my opinion. But here we go..

Career stats:

Anderson- 11.8 ppg (43fg%, 38 3pt%), 5.5 rpg, .9 apg, .6 spg

Thornton- 14.3 ppg (44fg%, 37 3pt%), 3.1 rpg, 1.6 apg, .9 spg.

They are both bench players that play for bad teams. I don't get the legend of Anderson on here, hopefully these puts some perspective on it..






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TigerinATL
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I don't get the legend of Anderson on here



There are lots of reasons. First, people like 3 pointers. Second, he was basically found money, no one was expecting to get him. Finally, there were times last season where he was the only high quality quasi star level player we put on the floor.

I'd say in general you're right that they both are similarly limited offensive minded players. But there are more volume scoring guards in the league than Stretch 4s that are elite at hitting 3 pointers. Also big > little in the NBA. So even if they had the exact same NBA2k ratings on their abilities, Anderson has more value than Thornton because of the supply/demand in the league.

And part of it is no doubt the Sacramento Effect, but that article made it sound like shooting 3s is the only thing Thornton did well last season. I remember when we were excitedly calling him Ben Gordon 2.0. That seems a lot better when you're a 2nd round pick making less than $1 million. With that contract where Sacramento foolishly bid against themselves, he really did become Ben Gordon 2.0, but not in the good way we all thought would happen.






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brmark70816
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But there are more volume scoring guards in the league than Stretch 4s that are elite at hitting 3 pointers.


What makes him elite? The fact he makes so many? His % isn't even top 40 in the league. I think of guys like Curry and Korver, when I think of elite 3pt shooters. Heck, I didn't even know that Calderon led the league in 3pt% this past season. You start looking over the guys that made the most 3pters last season and it isn't an impressive list. He is the only PF anywhere near the top, but I don't know why that is a good thing..






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TigerinATL
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He's elite because he's 6'10 and doing that. Anthony Morrow may be a better 3 point shooter, but Morrow's not taking a rebounder/rim protector out of position every time he spots up for 3.


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Rougarou4lsu
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Bobby Hebert may be "Father of the Who Dat Nation",


In his own mind






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Jwho77
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re: Zach Lowe on Davis


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Career stats:

Anderson- 11.8 ppg (43fg%, 38 3pt%), 5.5 rpg, .9 apg, .6 spg

Thornton- 14.3 ppg (44fg%, 37 3pt%), 3.1 rpg, 1.6 apg, .9 spg.


How about stats the last two years? You know, relevant to now?

Anderson: 16.1 pts. (43% 2pts; 39% 3pts), 7.0 rebs., 1.0 asts.
Thornton: 15.2 pts. (43% 2pts.; 36% 3pts), 3.0 rebs., 1.5 asts.

Anderson is a stretch PF with rare shooting prowess for his size while Thornton is a dime-a-dozen undersized two-guard who can't run the point. Ryno is looked at around the league as a piece for a contender while Thornton is seen as a chucker for a losing team.






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ScoopAndScore
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re: Zach Lowe on Davis


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He's still trying to make Pellies work

Someone needs to tell him to just go with Pels if he insists on shortening the name.






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