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re: Eric Gordon is not likely to play in Saturday's preseason opener
Posted on 10/2/13 at 5:17 pm to dj30
Posted on 10/2/13 at 5:17 pm to dj30
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The trade puts us in a win now mode, we aren't winning now without a healthy and playing up to his capabilities Eric Gordon.
As someone said, we are building around Davis.
And at the time of the trade and right now, Jrue + Davis is better than Potential draft pick + Davis.
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Posted on 10/2/13 at 8:40 pm to wope
fricking shocker...this guy needs to go
Posted on 10/3/13 at 1:07 am to Suntiger
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And at the time of the trade and right now, Jrue + Davis is better than Potential draft pick + Davis.
I think this is a short sighted way to look at the deal. You have to combine Holiday and Evans vs. what else they could have done this summer (if they didn't make the trade).
So if you say- Evans, Holiday, resign Aminu and Steimsma is > than keeping Vasquez, Lopez, McLemore, 15 million on two mid range free agents (Brewer and Bynum) plus you still keep the 2014 pick.. that is your right. But don't blame other people for 2nd guessing the moves..
Posted on 10/3/13 at 3:12 am to brmark70816
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keeping Vasquez, Lopez, McLemore, 15 million on two mid range free agents (Brewer and Bynum) plus you still keep the 2014 pick.
God that would have sucked. NBA no man's land.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 5:25 am to NawlinsTiger9
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God that would have sucked. NBA no man's land
How do you figure? You still have a base of Davis, McClemore and Rivers (plus the pick next summer). You have Gordon and Anderson as trade bait and your only major contracts on the books. You keep adding rotational players to your core and let them develop together. That group, while not as front loaded with talent, is much deeper and balanced. Depending on who they would have added with the money, that team wins about 40 games. I don't expect the group we have now to win much more than that and it is somewhat locked in (not as much flexibility roster wise)..
Posted on 10/3/13 at 7:52 am to brmark70816
I think you're really undervaluing the effect Holiday is going to have on the team.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 8:27 am to brmark70816
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That group, while not as front loaded with talent, is much deeper and balanced
Perhaps, but you're taking an awfully big gamble on Bynum being healthy.
And I think you're somewhat living in the past in terms of what the NBA is today. Traditional post threats just aren't ruling the league any more. It is a perimeter oriented game- speed, playmaking, and floor spacing.
It is certainly fair to question the path of the FO this summer. Personally, I'm more excited by a Holiday/Davis duo than Davis/McLemore, even taking into account age and contracts. But I can understand wondering if keeping #6 and spending the FA $ on someone other than Evans (with Gordon on the roster) was the best move.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 8:54 am to TigerinATL
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I think you're really undervaluing the effect Holiday is going to have on the team.
Couldn't agree more. Holiday brings a higher ceiling to this team and I feel he will be a good leader going forward. I've said it a thousand times, but if AD is who we all think he is, then this was a good move. If Gordon stays healthy and plays the way he is capable then we are a young, exciting, and scary team.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 9:05 am to corndeaux
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Perhaps, but you're taking an awfully big gamble on Bynum being healthy.
I was just throwing names out there. My biggest hope for this team this summer, other than getting rid of Gordon, was to get a good Center so that Davis didn't have to play that position at all. But they went the other way and got rid of the only true Center on the team. We'll see about Steimsma, but I think Lopez was a bit better than him and I wanted Lopez to be the back-up. They just got weaker in the spot.
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And I think you're somewhat living in the past in terms of what the NBA is today. Traditional post threats just aren't ruling the league any more. It is a perimeter oriented game- speed, playmaking, and floor spacing.
I agree with you, to a point. But you do need a hard nosed physical bull to get tough rebounds and intimidate the other team. NO does not have one guy like that on the team. Maybe the Heat can get away with that, but NO can't.
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It is certainly fair to question the path of the FO this summer. Personally, I'm more excited by a Holiday/Davis duo than Davis/McLemore, even taking into account age and contracts
I like Holiday, but I just don't think he is as big of a leap from Vasquez as everybody else thinks he is. Plus he was a massive bargain. They are much different players, but I thought they were both around top 10 PGs. So I am not sure NO really made that big of a jump. Plus I was really excited to see Rivers develop as a PG. He has potential there and I don't know if he'll ever get the chance now since Evans will have to play PG at times.
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But I can understand wondering if keeping #6 and spending the FA $ on someone other than Evans (with Gordon on the roster) was the best move.
That was all I was saying. It's water under the bridge now, but a lot of people (myself included) are a bit dubious of what the team has done. I just don't understand how it is supposed to fit together are there are just massive holes with no way to fill them. It was a strange summer..
Posted on 10/3/13 at 9:08 am to brmark70816
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that team wins about 40 games
Haha, alright.
What would that team have gained beyond McLemore and some exceedingly average FA's that would lead you to think that we would suddenly improve by 13 wins??? Moreover, what makes you "[not] expect the group we have now [with off-season adds] to win much more than that [team]?"
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I think you're really undervaluing the effect Holiday is going to have on the team.
THIS
As far as I'm concerned, keeping the picks and grabbing free agents is only going to serve to give this franchise another underwhelming season that would make us all feel like nothing about this team had really changed. Had we gone that route and improved in wins, at all, we would have just reduced the potential value of our draft pick. That path leads to years of mediocrity, Monty's firing, and more years of rebuilding and mediocrity. The moves Dell made, polarizing and bold as they are, are going to usher in a NEW basketball team in New Orleans.
I, for one, could not be more excited.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 9:28 am to brmark70816
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I was just throwing names out there. My biggest hope for this team this summer, other than getting rid of Gordon, was to get a good Center so that Davis didn't have to play that position at all. But they went the other way and got rid of the only true Center on the team. We'll see about Steimsma, but I think Lopez was a bit better than him and I wanted Lopez to be the back-up. They just got weaker in the spot
I get that. They must think Davis can handle some time at C, which is interesting. For me a more mobile Lopez (Tiago Splitter type I guess) would be an ideal pairing next to Davis. I don't want a guy sitting on the block, clogging up the lane.
Who do you think would be an ideal C next to Davis?
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But you do need a hard nosed physical bull to get tough rebounds and intimidate the other team. NO does not have one guy like that on the team. Maybe the Heat can get away with that, but NO can't.
Yeah. Steimsma, Withey need to really step up. Smiht isn't afraid to bang but he is injury prone.
I've said it before, there are similarities in the structure of this team to the Heat. Obviously Miami is much more talented at the top, but it will be interesting to see how much, if at all, they mimic what Miami does.
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I like Holiday, but I just don't think he is as big of a leap from Vasquez as everybody else thinks he is
Fair enough. I think Holiday's defense will be more valuable than Vasquez's offense on this team. We'll have to see if Jrue can improve his quite mediocre offensive efficiency stats.
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Plus I was really excited to see Rivers develop as a PG
To me, Rivers doesn't project as a true PG. I don't think he has the passing instincts to be a traditional PG. That doesn't mean he can't become a good player. The Evans signing does seem to put him in more of a spot up role, which doesn't appear to be his strong suit.
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That was all I was saying. It's water under the bridge now, but a lot of people (myself included) are a bit dubious of what the team has done
Nothing wrong with that at all. It's good to have differing opinions on the team.
I'm excited to see how it plays out over the course of the season.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 9:59 am to corndeaux
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Who do you think would be an ideal C next to Davis?
I would like a tough undersized Center like Horford or Monroe. They would be great compliments to Davis and allow him to grow into a Center. Or maybe even a really physical PF like Boozer or Randolph. So he wouldn't have to bang as much. Plus I like to think of Davis as an offensively gifted version of Noah and he works great next to Boozer and Gibson.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:30 am to brmark70816
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I like Holiday, but I just don't think he is as big of a leap from Vasquez as everybody else thinks he is. Plus he was a massive bargain. They are much different players, but I thought they were both around top 10 PGs. So I am not sure NO really made that big of a jump.
I disagree here...I like Vasquez, but he was a very limited player.
A big, athletic, physical PG is so valuable in the NBA, especially in the playoffs. It will help shape our defense.
He's a much better scorer, and he still has big upside/potential, unlike Vasquez.
...Vasquez won't be a great bargain for long.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 5:01 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Gordon is the biggest wimp in the NBA.
Who cares anymore? Keep his arse on the bench.
Who cares anymore? Keep his arse on the bench.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 7:56 pm to drake20
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He's a much better scorer, and he still has big upside/potential, unlike Vasquez.
I don't know where you get this. Holiday was his team's primary scorer last year, but his numbers weren't way higher than Vasquez. They actually had almost identical shooting %'s. My biggest gripe about Vasquez last year was how much he turned it over. So they replace him with a guy that was 2nd in the league in turning the ball over.
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Vasquez won't be a great bargain for long.
Everything depends on how he looks playing where he does now. If he sucks this year, he probably won't get much of a contract. I don't think he would have broke the bank here and would have given us a bit of a hometown discount. They probably could have locked him down on a multi year at about 6m per, if they negotiated early. He would have still been a good value.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 8:00 pm to brmark70816
Eric Gordon needs an extra career just for rehabilitation
Posted on 10/3/13 at 9:58 pm to wope
What a waste of a human being let alone salary cap hit.
Gordon always has some BS - chronically hurt
Gordon always has some BS - chronically hurt
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:07 pm to PG
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What a waste of a human being
Good lord.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:07 pm to brmark70816
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I don't know where you get this. Holiday was his team's primary scorer last year, but his numbers weren't way higher than Vasquez. They actually had almost identical shooting %'s. My biggest gripe about Vasquez last year was how much he turned it over. So they replace him with a guy that was 2nd in the league in turning the ball over.
Yet is a much better defender
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:08 pm to PG
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What a waste of a human being let alone salary cap hit.
Gordon always has some BS - chronically hurt
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