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Room 237: The Shining
Posted on 9/27/13 at 10:12 am
Posted on 9/27/13 at 10:12 am
On Netflix. It isn't a great film( first, it's a documentary) at all, but for those interested in:
1. The Shining
2. Basically, stream of consciousness "What does art mean?"
Since it's literally a string of speakers talking about what they think the Shining means (one guy even leaves to deal with his kid). While some of the meanings have some unique takes,it is really interesting as just a study into the way we layer meanings onto art.
How do we marry the film maker's intentions onto our own interpretations and cultural bias? How are we sure exactly what a film maker means, especially someone so historically precise as Kubrick?
If it even is possible to unite interpretations under the banner of one film (if the film CAN mean all of these different things), then is it possible to boil down the entirety of culture.
I have always said, Kubrick makes films about the human condition. That the meaning we usually ascribe is always reduced down to primal urges in Kubrick's world. Because of that meaning, there are unique parallels among all of his films. But now I'm not so sure.
The Apollo mission interpretation of the Shining, although ridiculous, is crazy interesting to listen to.
Anyone else watch this? Is there a discussion to be had here?
1. The Shining
2. Basically, stream of consciousness "What does art mean?"
Since it's literally a string of speakers talking about what they think the Shining means (one guy even leaves to deal with his kid). While some of the meanings have some unique takes,it is really interesting as just a study into the way we layer meanings onto art.
How do we marry the film maker's intentions onto our own interpretations and cultural bias? How are we sure exactly what a film maker means, especially someone so historically precise as Kubrick?
If it even is possible to unite interpretations under the banner of one film (if the film CAN mean all of these different things), then is it possible to boil down the entirety of culture.
I have always said, Kubrick makes films about the human condition. That the meaning we usually ascribe is always reduced down to primal urges in Kubrick's world. Because of that meaning, there are unique parallels among all of his films. But now I'm not so sure.
The Apollo mission interpretation of the Shining, although ridiculous, is crazy interesting to listen to.
Anyone else watch this? Is there a discussion to be had here?
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Posted on 9/27/13 at 10:23 am to Freauxzen
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is always reduced down to primal urges in Kubrick's world
Posted on 9/27/13 at 11:03 am to Freauxzen
I saw this a few months ago and enjoyed it. I like how people with radically different theories can all find clues in the same scene to back up their point.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 11:08 am to Freauxzen
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How are we sure exactly what a film maker means, especially someone so historically precise as Kubrick?
Maybe I'm off base here, but I've never found any of Kubricks work to be precise in its meaning, in any way.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 11:13 am to CocomoLSU
Looks interesting. I'll check it out soon
Posted on 9/27/13 at 11:15 am to Freauxzen
I was really excited for this when it first came out and was let down. It does make some interesting points, but a lot of it was just reaching too far. Some of their arguments could be easily explained that the shot simply looked better that way. It seemed like most of the people seemed just to throw shite on the wall to see what would stick.
[Spoilers]
Favorite: I was really interested in the discussion of the layout of the hotel and how is was constantly changing. More in the sense that it was giving people a subconscious uneasiness that something wasn't right with the place. Not so much the comparison with the floors and the levels of Danny's mind or whatever.
Least Favorite: I actually wasn't crazy about the Apollo theory. I love the conspiracy idea of him filming the the moon landing, but him dropping hints of that in The Shinning was just a reach for me. For example, when the guy was talking about the shot of "No. Room" and said, "the only other words you can spell with those letters is MOON and ROOM! It must be a sign!" I just wanted to be there to tell him, "well, you could also spell moron."
That or the Minotaur poster was pretty ridiculous
[Spoilers]
Favorite: I was really interested in the discussion of the layout of the hotel and how is was constantly changing. More in the sense that it was giving people a subconscious uneasiness that something wasn't right with the place. Not so much the comparison with the floors and the levels of Danny's mind or whatever.
Least Favorite: I actually wasn't crazy about the Apollo theory. I love the conspiracy idea of him filming the the moon landing, but him dropping hints of that in The Shinning was just a reach for me. For example, when the guy was talking about the shot of "No. Room" and said, "the only other words you can spell with those letters is MOON and ROOM! It must be a sign!" I just wanted to be there to tell him, "well, you could also spell moron."
That or the Minotaur poster was pretty ridiculous
This post was edited on 9/27/13 at 11:17 am
Posted on 9/27/13 at 11:15 am to CocomoLSU
That was the one scene in the movie that I thought was a little much.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 11:20 am to Freauxzen
Kubrick also had crew go around the country and take pictures and get research of hotel decor from around the country because he wanted the hotel decor to look very generic and familiar to people. That kind of puts a wrench in all of the decor theories that people have
Posted on 9/27/13 at 11:24 am to XequalsWhy
Kubrick was extremely obsessive. Something that might seem like an insignificant detail to most people has meaning for Kubrick. Its not hard to believe that some of these little details are there for a reason.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 11:29 am to elprez00
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Maybe I'm off base here, but I've never found any of Kubricks work to be precise in its meaning, in any way.
Precise in film making, not meaning. Everything Kubrick does, in terms of mise en scene, is intentional. Where furniture is placed, where the shot is coming from, etc. That's all meticulously laid out.
On the other hand, I think it's up for debate whether or not his meaning is "precise" or not.
There are certainly very good arguments to be made on both sides. One thing in Kubrick's films that always manifest is the tumultuous relationship between the past and the present. Every single one of his films meditates on that directly.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 11:30 am to XequalsWhy
quote:
[Spoilers]
Favorite: I was really interested in the discussion of the layout of the hotel and how is was constantly changing. More in the sense that it was giving people a subconscious uneasiness that something wasn't right with the place. Not so much the comparison with the floors and the levels of Danny's mind or whatever.
Least Favorite: I actually wasn't crazy about the Apollo theory. I love the conspiracy idea of him filming the the moon landing, but him dropping hints of that in The Shinning was just a reach for me. For example, when the guy was talking about the shot of "No. Room" and said, "the only other words you can spell with those letters is MOON and ROOM! It must be a sign!" I just wanted to be there to tell him, "well, you could also spell moron."
That or the Minotaur poster was pretty ridiculous
Agreed. Like I said, "while ridiculous," the whole thing with Danny and the shirt was kind of strange. Lots of grasping at straws, but that's why it was at least a little fun.
The minotaur poster was also ridiculous, it's a good theory actually but he poster was a bit of a stretch.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 11:51 am to Brosef Stalin
Oh I agree and understand completely. I know about his obsession and have heard the stories of how he'd call king at 3am and ask him random questions like "do you believe in God?" Just to get a better understanding and to get the perfect shot for a single scene. It is also explained ad nauseam in the film. I'm simply saying that some of the people's interpretations of some scenes were much more believable [SPOILERS] ( like the placement of the office and the magazine jack reads waiting) than others. A lot of the people tried to dissect every single thing and a lot of theories weren't convincing ( like the Minotaur). Either there was no deeper meaning or their interpretations of why Kubrick placed it there is wrong
Posted on 9/27/13 at 11:59 am to XequalsWhy
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and a lot of theories weren't convincing ( like the Minotaur). Either there was no deeper meaning or their interpretations of why Kubrick placed it there is wrong
The shelf boner?
Posted on 9/27/13 at 12:12 pm to Freauxzen
Haha yea I forgot about that one. That was definitely one of the better ones. I also agree that it was interesting to see all this self proclaimed Kubrick experts have vastly different views of similar scenes.
I don't want people to think that I didn't like the movie. It wasn't bad. Just don't set your expectations too high and be open minded.
I don't want people to think that I didn't like the movie. It wasn't bad. Just don't set your expectations too high and be open minded.
Posted on 9/27/13 at 4:05 pm to XequalsWhy
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I don't want people to think that I didn't like the movie. It wasn't bad. Just don't set your expectations too high and be open minded.
Completely, that's why I said the only people who should watch it are those who like the Shining or those who are interested in that kind of "meaning mash up," because that's literally all it is.
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