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When do you add your wood chips/chunks for a low and slow smoke?

Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:24 pm
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27755 posts
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:24 pm
I've had an egg for a couple months but have done mostly grilling and short cooks so far. I think I'm going to smoke a boston butt for pulled pork this weekend.

Is it better to put the chunks in the lump, or add them once the fire and temp is stabilized? I've tried it both ways with ribs and it seems like I lose a lot of smoke while waiting for the temp to stabilize by weaving it into the lump. But adding it on top of the coals seems to cause a spike in the temp and possibly "bad smoke" when I'm ready to put meat in.

I've tried to read as much as I could, but most everything I can find talks about temps, recipes, and length of cook....and not so much about the best way to start the fire. I can control the temp, but I'm not sure if I have the right kind of fire/smoke with the temp...if that makes sense. Any suggestions?
Posted by OldHickory
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2012
10602 posts
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:46 pm to
Amongst the coals and on top once you put your meat on. Not familiar with the Egg, I use a WSM, but your vent controls should contain heat spikes. Put your meat on cold for max smoke absorption.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16342 posts
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:27 pm to
MOT - hopefully some more experienced smokers will weigh in cause I'm interested as well.

I have a large BGE and have only done a handful of prolonged smokes. I'd give myself about a C+ avg - everything's been good but I think can do better. I don't have any problem with bad smoke or imparting a smoke flavor. Anyway, here's how I've done it:

1) Get my charcoals to a clean burn. Usually "stir" them 2X. Usually takes 15-20 min.
2) Adjust the vents to obtain desired temp
3) Add wood - typically chips for grilling and chunks for smoking
4) Quickly position the plate setter and then the grill (yep - lots of smoke to work through but only takes a couple of seconds)
5) Place meat on grill.

Hope this helps.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27755 posts
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:12 pm to
Thank you both for the feedback. I'll work a couple chunks into the lump and add the rest on top of the coals.

One follow up:
quote:

1) Get my charcoals to a clean burn. Usually "stir" them 2X. Usually takes 15-20 min.

Do you leave the lid open during this time, or do you close it so it can establish its oxygen flow from the vents?
Posted by carnuba
tickfaw
Member since Jan 2009
1268 posts
Posted on 9/26/13 at 12:08 am to
quote:

I'll work a couple chunks into the lump and add the rest on top of the coals.


i do 1 chunk at a time, don't need a lot of smoke.

if you can smell it, you're smoking with it
Posted by weaveballs1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
3036 posts
Posted on 9/26/13 at 4:10 am to
After you've lit your coals but before you put your meat on, if that makes any sense. I like to make sure the temp is stabilized before I put the meat on. Also, better to add a bunch of smoke at the beginning than the end because the meat doesn't absorb any more smoke after a certain point.
Posted by OldSouth
Folsom, LA
Member since Oct 2011
10939 posts
Posted on 9/26/13 at 8:11 am to
quote:

better to add a bunch of smoke at the beginning than the end because the meat doesn't absorb any more smoke after a certain point.
Posted by dpd901
South Louisiana
Member since Apr 2011
7504 posts
Posted on 9/26/13 at 8:28 am to
Are you soaking your chips/chunks? If not, soak them in water before you use them. At least 30 mins, the longer the better. This will make them smolder slowly and not burn hot and cause your temp to spike. One or two chunks is plenty in a chamber as small as a big green egg. Chips, I usually throw in a handful at a time, 3 times in the first 3 hours. Chunks work better if a visual smoke ring is something that concerns you.
Posted by Woody
Member since Nov 2004
2452 posts
Posted on 9/26/13 at 10:43 am to
I may be in the minority here, but I place a few large chunks at the bottom and smaller chunks throughout lump on top. This way my chunks smolder throughout the cook, and no adjustments or temperature spikes once I'm at the desired temperature..
Posted by Marlo Stanfield
Member since Aug 2008
2059 posts
Posted on 9/26/13 at 10:46 am to
After you get it stabilized and just before you put the meat on. I also add some chunks through the two side gaps in the grating and push them into place with a steel rod as/if needed while cooking. I'm talking about the Egg specifically.

ETA: I almost exclusively use chunks not soaked in water. They smoke way way longer than chips so you don't lose smoke prematurely or need to add anything very often. The only time I use chips is if I run out of chunks in something or if it is a wood like Cherry that is a little harder to find chunks of.
This post was edited on 9/26/13 at 10:52 am
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16342 posts
Posted on 9/26/13 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

Do you leave the lid open during this time, or do you close it so it can establish its oxygen flow from the vents?


Lid is wide open.

One my lessons learned when using lump charcoal was that it has a creosote layer on it. This needs to burn off. It usually shows as a blueish color in the smoke and will impart a undesired flavor. The coals are burning clean when evidenced by "clear" smoke, i.e., if you were to close the lid and open the top vent, you can 'see the heat' but very little smoke.

Again, hope this helps. I conside myself more of a novice than an expert so I'm always trying to learn better ways.



Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
9143 posts
Posted on 9/26/13 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

I've tried to read as much as I could, but most everything I can find talks about temps, recipes, and length of cook....and not so much about the best way to start the fire. I can control the temp, but I'm not sure if I have the right kind of fire/smoke with the temp...if that makes sense. Any suggestions?



Primo Oval XL 6+ yrs, firebox divider, don't have to mess with plate setter, etc just start fire with electric starter for 8-minutes with lid open and intake vent wide open. Place cold seasoned meat on end away from fire, place two to three medium to large chunks directly in the fire and add some more lump on top. Shut lid and adjust vents to desired temp and smoke rolls for roughly an hour or more at 225, which is really all you need. Soaking chunks is not necessary, the wood will absorb very little moisture even if you soak it 3 hours or longer, chips are a waste of time unless you are using alder or similar to impart a light smoke to fish, etc. Lump varies a great deal, some needs to burn longer prior to placing meat in the smoker. For cooks over 3-hours I tend to mix low density lump with high density larger chunks, ie Royal Oak + Wicked Good, to maintain an even cook temp and longevity of the fire.



Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27755 posts
Posted on 10/8/13 at 10:04 am to
Bumping this from a couple weeks ago for another question. First, the pork came out with just the amount of smoke flavor I wanted, so thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I didn't soak but used two applewood chunks near the bottom of the lump bed and put a couple more on top once the temp was stabilized.

My issue this time was getting the temp low enough. It took much longer than it probably should have.

I tried this
quote:

Lid is wide open.

One my lessons learned when using lump charcoal was that it has a creosote layer on it. This needs to burn off. It usually shows as a blueish color in the smoke and will impart a undesired flavor. The coals are burning clean when evidenced by "clear" smoke

and before I knew it I had a massive fire going. I almost had to shut the vents completely off to get the temp under control and that appeared to cause more bad smoke as it was basically choking out.

So do you think I let it burn and flame too long originally? Would a smaller flame maybe on one side of the lump accomplish the same thing with the creosote, or does it all have to burn?

Again, everything eventually got to where it needed to be and it came out fine. But it took me well over an hour from fire start to meat add, so it seems like I went wrong somewhere.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
9143 posts
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:20 pm to
Can't say I notice "creosote" with lump charcoal, some S. American sourced lump may burn a little smokey early on. If you are using a mix of prior used lump and new lump I don't see that as an issue whatsover. If you are doing a low and slow you are better off closing the lid after 8-10 minutes and you have placed wood chunks, meat, etc in the cooker. Using an electric starter and cleaning the ash/debris out of the bottom grate for clear air flow I typical pull the starter at around 8 minutes and place wood chunk/s and additional lump in quantity to provide enough fuel with a decent margin of safety, ie can run a few hours past estimated finish time. Here is an example. You are right about waiting until the fire is raging to close and cook and it wastes your chunks and lump.

Existing lump from prior cook after clean out, this was after replacing a cracked firebox I kept cooking on for 4.5 yrs:




If you are using fire starters, chimney, whatever it is similar. Place the wood chunks on the glowing embers and add more lump on that. With the Primo I always place the meat on the grate first to avoid being smoked out by the chunks, you may have to do that last with BGE with no real divided firebox. No terribly right or wrong way to get it done, but I strongly prefer the first 45 minutes or so be at low heat, say 200, and letting a large blaze form defeats the purpose and takes more time. Hope this helps, best thing is make sure the bottom grate is clear and have good air flow which makes regulating the temps much easier.

I really do prefer high quality dense lump, like Wicked Good, mixed with less dense like BGE or Royal Oak lump which are both produced by RO, it keeps a consistent burn over a lonnngg time frame. Keep working at it, you'll find a happy medium/process and have good outcomes.

This post was edited on 10/8/13 at 3:30 pm
Posted by Woody
Member since Nov 2004
2452 posts
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:57 pm to
I don't get a "massive" fire going. I place a few large wood chunks on the bottom, add some lump, and then mix chips/chunks with some lump on top. Light charcoal with vents wide open and get a steady fire going...not a big fire, but just enough for a steady burn that you can reduce to a smolder. Then I move my vents and zero in on the desired temperature.

Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16342 posts
Posted on 10/9/13 at 9:47 pm to
MOT - sorry if my suggestion turned out bad. When I first got my BGE and never having used lump before, I ruined several meats, etc. The main culprit was getting up to temp before getting a clean burn and placing the meat on the grill. The bad smoke would impart an undesirable flavor. My children would refer to the chicken as "burnt house chicken" because that's what it tasted like.

Maybe I over compensate but after learning what I was doing wrong, I've never repeated by misfortune again.

You can certainly get a roaring flame my way. But what's important is getting a clean burn (which I usually key off the color of the smoke).

If it seemed to take to long to 'cool down', I would suggest stirring the charcoals once/twice after lighting, then closing the lid (with some part of the cap open), and monitoring the temp. Continue to adjust the vents as req'd until you achieve your desired temp.

One the target temp is reached, open the lid, add in your wood (stir if needed), position plate setter, then grill, and finally place meat on.

I really enjoy learning from others hopefully they'll continue the discussion.
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