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re: Penn State to get back scholarships

Posted on 9/24/13 at 11:51 am to
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 9/24/13 at 11:51 am to
Semantics. I just dont see the point of football sanctions either way
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 9/24/13 at 11:51 am to
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If I'm not mistaken, USC players were also given the opportunity to transfer without sitting out a year if they wanted.


I only bring this up because everyone is citing PSU's lack of employment of said individuals as the reason that this should no longer be an issue.

The amount of people defending the "legacy" of a school that allowed a former coach to use the PSU name to rape kids for 10 years is beyond me I believe.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64945 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 11:51 am to
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Didn't occur. Players got the opportunity to transfer and not sit out if they so chose.



Yep. But there was no guarantee they would start or even play at their new school. So, yes, it was still hurting the players.

Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 11:52 am to
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That at least had something to do with athletics. While what Sandusky did was monstrous, no competitive advantage was gained and the only connection the crime had to the athletic program was that some of the incidents went down inside the facility.

If a coach went on a murder spree inside the athletic building of some random college, after his fellow coaches missed obvious signs that he was psychotic, should the football program go on probation because of it?
I'd say that if an athletic department knowingly covered up an actual murder, then yeah, sanctions should follow. Jesus, dude.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112204 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 11:53 am to
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The amount of people defending the "legacy" of a school that allowed a former coach to use the PSU name to rape kids for 10 years is beyond me I believe.


Yeah, thats exactly whats happening here
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164014 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 11:53 am to
Some of the people behind the Reggie Bush stuff were still at USC.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 11:53 am to
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Yep. But there was no guarantee they would start or even play at their new school. So, yes, it was still hurting the players.
Irrelevant. They are given the opportunity to attend school and participate in their chosen extra-curricular activity. Playing time is not a factor here.
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 11:55 am
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
65876 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 11:59 am to
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It just never really made sense to me. Its a good PR move for the NCAA, sure, but the football penalties never really made sense to me

Fine the ever living shite out of the athletic department, make their lives a living hell, make sure every guy that lead the program is fired, do all that and more, but giving a direct punishment to the current and new players and brand new coaches to try to make sure they are not good at football anymore, just makes no actual sense to me


This
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 12:00 pm to
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Semantics
That's not what semantics means.

If Joe Football Player is a high school senior hoping to play college football, and then the Penn State stuff comes out during his senior season, Joe Football Player, as well as everybody else on earth, knows that Penn State is going to be punished somewhat for something. This is all 10 months before JFP ever sets foot on a college campus.

If he then chooses to go to Penn State, and you say he's being punished for someone else's crime, you're completely incorrect.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64945 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 12:00 pm to
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Playing time is not a factor here.


You also have the added factor of having to move hundreds, if not thousands of miles to play football somewhere else. Some of these boys were born and raised in Pennsylvania. That's added expense to come home for holidays such as Christmas. You're still hurting the players.

Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
64073 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 12:07 pm to
To me, the football sanctions were always kind of awkward. The punishments should've been harder in other areas but pulling football scholarships because of this monster and his actions was almost insulting to the victims.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 12:08 pm to
implying people behind kids getting diddled still aren't at PSU


damn I didn't mean that the way it sounded
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 12:09 pm
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 12:09 pm to
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You also have the added factor of having to move hundreds, if not thousands of miles to play football somewhere else.
That's why they were given every viable choice they could be given.

If a player wanted to stay at Penn State and play football, cool.
If a player wanted to stay at Penn State and quit football, he could still keep his athletic scholarship.
If a player wanted to transfer, he could do so and still keep his athletic scholarship and not have to sit out a year.
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Some of these boys were born and raised in Pennsylvania. That's added expense to come home for holidays such as Christmas.
There are nine other colleges and universities in Pennsylvania who offer scholarship-level football.
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You're still hurting the players.
The players are actually being given justifiable special treatment in this situation.
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 12:10 pm
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 12:10 pm to
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To me, the football sanctions were always kind of awkward. The punishments should've been harder in other areas but pulling football scholarships because of this monster and his actions was almost insulting to the victims.
Those who are responsible for this situation prized football above everything. It only makes sense to sidekick that sand castle.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19307 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 12:11 pm to
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Thats assuming every player had the means to transfer to a new school


Correct.

First, if a player wanted to transfer, he would have to find a school to take him. That's easy for some players, but most aren't going to get offers except at maybe FCS or D2/D3 schools.

Also, there's the issue of transferring credits. Most universities require a minimum number of hours to be taken at the institution (as opposed to being transferred in) in order to get a degree. So if a player is one year away from a degree, he may not find a school willing to take his credits.

This could also pose a problem if the player has an offer upon graduation; he simply can't delay doing so or the offer may be rescinded.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 12:14 pm to
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Correct.

First, if a player wanted to transfer, he would have to find a school to take him. That's easy for some players, but most aren't going to get offers except at maybe FCS or D2/D3 schools.

Also, there's the issue of transferring credits. Most universities require a minimum number of hours to be taken at the institution (as opposed to being transferred in) in order to get a degree. So if a player is one year away from a degree, he may not find a school willing to take his credits.

This could also pose a problem if the player has an offer upon graduation; he simply can't delay doing so or the offer may be rescinded.
That's why the NCAA cut these players the deal that allowed them to stay at Penn State and keep their athletic scholarships without requiring them to play football. They could still go to school free of charge without any obligation to play football.
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
64073 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 12:16 pm to
Then do away with the program and banish all of them. I always had issue with the quantifying of scholarships. How the hell do you determine a suitable punishment in those terms for something so heinous. At least now some more kids will get scholarships to play college football.
Posted by Sevendust912
Member since Jun 2013
11366 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 12:17 pm to
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Are all the people under that whole regime gone?


Nah. Ron Vanderlindin and Larry Johnson are still on the staff.
Posted by ToesOnTheNose213
The present
Member since Oct 2007
2028 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 12:21 pm to
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Some of the people behind the Reggie Bush stuff were still at USC.


Who? Not the head coach. Not the AD. Not the player...

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Always Seemed a little pointless to me to punish football players and coaches that had nothing to do with all that that went down.


None of the current SC players had anything to do with Reggie Bush. Why should they be punished? SC is still under sanctions and the Bush stuff happened 8 years ago!

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While what Sandusky did was monstrous, no competitive advantage was gained and the only connection the crime had to the athletic program was that some of the incidents went down inside the facility.


How did USC get a competitive advantage by Reggie Bush leaving school early? That's why the wannabe sports agent gave his parents free rent and other stuff, so Bush would LEAVE USC.

And Penn State covering up for a child rapist for the sole purpose of protecting their football program and University is the fricking definition of lack of institutional control.

But whatever, frick everyone. frick everything. Yeah I mad, I jelly. If the same thing happened to your alma mater, you'd be furious too.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 12:24 pm to
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Why should they be punished?
They aren't. They still were eligible, they still got to go to school for free, and they still got to play football. Now, as a direct response to the sanctions put on their program, they were given the special treatment of the option to transfer without sitting out a year.
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