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They have destroyed the GOP as a national party...and it is going to get worse before it gets better, leaving the Democrats free reign to do all sorts of stupid shite.
Destroying national parties in favor of localized groups with a few common core principles is a good thing. The big tent idea is not good for the country as the big tents are incapable of compromising and offending any members. The various interest groups within the Democrat Party will break apart when they realize the Democrats cannot deliver on longstanding promises. My guess is that blacks will abandon the Democrats when Hispanic influence in the Party becomes greater than black influence.






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germandawg
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Why do you , and every liberal ignore the cause?
What necessitates debt? Borrowing.
Why do you borrow? Because you can't pay for what you want to buy.
Why can't you pay for things? Because you spend too much as it is.

The root cause of this whole debt issue is out of control spending. Credit that to Obama. What's our current debt level? What was it before he came into office? What's our current spending levels?

It's so simplistic you should be ashamed you have to have it explained to you.




Yes Yes Yes...everyone gets it....cut spending...YES YES YES....but how is that going to unspend money????? That is what you haven't addressed.....I have said repeatedly to cut spending, eliminate it entirely, but how is that going to pay for shite that we have already received???? Cutting spending will not alleviate your debt.....you can't tell your mortgage company that you are not paying your mortgage payment this month because you have decided to cut spending.....it won't work. You can cut spending next month, if you have the willingness and ability to do so, but you can't cut your bills simply by refusing to pay them....you can't unspend money, and all of you who think you can should be ashamed for thinking you can....hell my 4 year old knows this.....






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germandawg
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And do you honestly believe your boy Obama will ever entertain the idea of spending cuts in the future? frick no.

And we'll be having this same conversation next year. and the year after. SPENDING IS THE PROBLEM. Cut the spending first, then, once it is managed, you can talk about raising a debt ceiling.


No, I don't think Obama or anyone else in Washington will seriously entertain that notion....because we don't insist on it...but I know that refusing to pay bills we owe won't make the situation any better....






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Cutting spending will not alleviate your debt.....you can't tell your mortgage company that you are not paying your mortgage payment this month


it happens every day.

Have you ever heard of Bankruptcy courts?






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I have said repeatedly to cut spending, eliminate it entirely, but how is that going to pay for shite that we have already received???? Cutting spending will not alleviate your debt.

if you have the same "revenue" flow, it will alleviate your debt

our federal government is going to receive x amount in tax receipts and other collections this year. it's not going to change that much

our federal government has NOT spent money for programs/agencies that require monthly/quarterly funding. if we stop paying for these things, then we will open up space for x-receipts to be spent elsewhere, that includes things "we've already paid for" and our debt

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you can't tell your mortgage company that you are not paying your mortgage payment this month because you have decided to cut spending

if i'm $200 short in my monthly budget and i cut out future spending on entertainment and alcohol, which saves me $200, then i can pay my mortgage with the difference.






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germandawg
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That's complete bull shite. There is no way you can support the ideals of the tea party and vote for Obama twice. You are lying.


You haven't go a clue what your talking about....I think grassroots efforts are great for this country regardless of the ideology....I support the right of the Klan to exist even though I loather their philosophy...I think initially the tea party was a move in the right direction and they got off course....I wouldn't be surprised if we don't find in 40 years that some government agency didn't drive it off course, but that is another issue. I didn't ever claim to support the ideology of the tea party, although I agree with some issues, but that does not mean that I couldn't support the grass roots effort behind the tea party....again tow totally separate issues. By the way I don't think there is anyway that a person could support the tea party and vote for Mitt Romney.....






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germandawg
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Can you be more obvious? The new york times is not an unbiased source. Why do you quote it like it's gospel?



What does that have to do with the fact that the national COC is basically begging the tea party to allow the nation to pay its bills??? The article I linked to is everywhere...liberal rags and conservative ones alike are running similar articles because the COC has asked the Tea Party and the GOP to pay the nations bills.....read the letter sent BY the COC....






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doubleb
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well yea, if you'd like me to rail on democrats for awhile I can. But only if it'll make you feel more secure in my agreement with your beliefs. Every time I say something shitty about a republican people automatically assume I've got to be a democrat then. No maybe i'm just not looking through crazy bias glasses. Both sides are way the frick out of control. They act like a ruling class and have damn near legislated themselves into an aristocracy. Both sides are at fault for this mess.


+1, I could have said it myself, but you said it with far more "eloquence". LOL






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SlowFlowPro
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.I think initially the tea party was a move in the right direction and they got off course..

the grassroots effort that you're labeling the "Tea Party" didn't get off course

some other factions saw how popular the term was and simply stole the nickname






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germandawg
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you don't raise the debt ceiling you are gonna default on your responsibilities.....cut spending all you want to....eliminate it if you can politically...but pay your fricking bills that you have already acquired....

this is jsut not true. i'll give you an extreme example to prove my point

if we defunded medicare tomorrow, we would have plenty of money to pay our bills/interest



Then defund medicare if you have the political capital to do so.....but if you don't then you got to pay your bills. Defunding medicare would not un-spend money my friend it would cut future spending...you can't unspend money, at least not in any way that I am aware of.....






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doubleb
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Then defund medicare if you have the political capital to do so.....but if you don't then you got to pay your bills. Defunding medicare would not un-spend money my friend it would cut future spending...you can't unspend money, at least not in any way that I am aware of.....


You are being ridiculous.

The Federal Govt. builds in increases across the board. They spend money because they have it(on paper anyway).

You can scale back programs without cutting them out completely. Tweaking the rate of growth, tying it to inflation and nothing more would be a huge start.

But our govt. is fundamentally flawed now. The ruling class has got the keys to the vault and they are divvying up funds to special interests, their friends, and their constituents to maintain control.

Washington DC itself missed out on the recession. It's a boom town. It's become a city on a hill, or should I say a province on a hill, and the rest of the nation comes to them for favors.

Sure we need to pay our debts, but we don't need to continue the spending we've had either. The debt ceiling is symbolic. I think the Republicans should make a point and vote to raise it to a hundred trillion and let it be. But when it comes time to spend, stop the huge increases cold. If they can't do that we are in a huge mess and it won't matter.

I say make the debt ceiling 100 trillion, and prove a point.



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germandawg
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There is not a Tea party in the same sense there is a Democrat Party a Republican Party and a Libertarian Party.

The Tea Party name was given to a grassroot movement that never organized on a national scale and that is why there are so many variations of Tea Party groups.

Sure most Tea Party groups are conservative, but many are pro business too.



this isn't true any longer...the tea party is a well organized, centrally controlled movement






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germandawg
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f i'm $200 short in my monthly budget and i cut out future spending on entertainment and alcohol, which saves me $200, then i can pay my mortgage with the difference.




YES!!!! Viola!!! Finally...someone gets it!!!! Yes, if you cut out $200 in FUTURE spending you will be able to pay your mortgage....but you can't eliminate $200 in spending that has already occurred.....






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doubleb
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this isn't true any longer...the tea party is a well organized, centrally controlled movement


LOL

who did they run for president? Who did they run for Congress? Local elections, who are their candidates.

I have yet to see Tea Party on my ballot. I'm just wonder where their candidates are.






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CptBengal
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Yes, if you cut out $200 in FUTURE spending you will be able to pay your mortgage..


then defund obamacare






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BBONDS25
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The debt ceiling should have never existed in the first place....it is a number that has been picked out of thin air and has no meaning. It has, however, allowed the DEMS to make hay by blaming the GOP. You can't uunspend money, my friend......it can't be done. If you don't raise the debt ceiling you are gonna default on your responsibilities.....cut spending all you want to....eliminate it if you can politically...but pay your fricking bills that you have already acquired....


same argument we heard last year. The the ceiling was raised as the dems said "yeah, yeah...we'll cut spending"...yet here we are again. Fool me once...






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germandawg
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STrange times indeed
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Yes, if you cut out $200 in FUTURE spending you will be able to pay your mortgage..


then defund obamacare


Do it, if you have the political will and capital....it has nothing at all to do with us paying bills that we owe today...do not hold the people who are counting on those receivables hostage...make the case and go before the American people and defund Obamacare if you can...DO IT....but do not refuse to pay the nations bills if you haven't been able to do it just yet.....






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SlowFlowPro
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Then defund medicare if you have the political capital to do so..

your condition makes the argument completely disingenuous

if we had the "political capital" to do it, we would have done it already. it's clear that we don't

that's why we are at where we are at. that's the problem, not the current debt ceiling debate

until we address the problem, we're putting lipstick on a pig. that's the basis of the "tea party" (original small government group that is doing exactly what they set out to do, regardless of your approval)






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BBONDS25
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but do not refuse to pay the nations bills if you haven't been able to do it just yet


we heard this last year. can't continue to fall for it. Sorry. Its gonna hurt...but it has to start somewhere.






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skinny domino
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....these nuts have driven so many moderates and even staunch conservatives away and into the arms of the Democrats that the Dems don't even know what to do with it....it is amazing to see the GOP destroy itself in such a fashion but the ramifications of this nation becoming, in essence, a one party system with one party ideas and one party agendas is scary as hell. If you on the right of the Chamber of Commerce seek help immediately.....before it is too late....
one has only to look at brother Woody Jenkins here in B.R. - he and brother Mills have the moderate to the right lean conservatives looking over their shoulder at any move they make.






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