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re: Was "Ozymandias" the best episode of television you've seen?

Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:37 am to
Posted by HortensePowdermaker
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:37 am to
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The crazy thing for me is the love for Todd.


Yeah. What is the reason for the Todd love? Just because of the kid?
Posted by OnTheBrink
TN
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:40 am to
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What is the reason for the Todd love?


From what I gather it is because of his character. But every time I see him, I picture Tyra or Saracen jumping in to say Hi.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:41 am to
ha, I know it's not normal, but I can't help it.

For some reason everything Walt has done I have agreed with. I guess I invest myself into the protagonist from the start and look at his actions as if I were him or something. I guess you have to say what if I was Walt? This also explains my hatred of Skyler/Marie/Hank.

Todd is just awesome. Dude DGAF, his ringtone really bumped him a few notches. It's like he is so psychotic that his actions are all out of amusement. It's like a big joke to him.
Posted by HortensePowdermaker
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:54 am to
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Todd is just awesome. Dude DGAF, his ringtone really bumped him a few notches. It's like he is so psychotic that his actions are all out of amusement. It's like a big joke to him.


All of this is belied by his subservience to both Mr. White and his uncle. It seems like a cold-blooded kid-killer would be doing his own thing a lot more.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:13 am to
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Weird


It's not really weird considering how the episode went.

The unspoken forgiveness toward Walt that Hank felt just before he died as Walt tried to buy his life for $80 million.

The rashness of Skylar and idiot boy when dealing with Walt. (You know the shite has obviously hit the fan and your first reaction is to, instead of figuring out what's wrong, stab Walt/call the cops).

Walt's painful, forced vindication of Skylar in front of the cops before he knows he's going to get his fresh start. Think about that. The last time he talks to his wife he essentially acts as a sociopathic (Which he is not) abuser in order to clear her name. So gut wrenching.

The only thing really unlikeable that Walt did was stab Jesse and twist the knife.
Posted by HortensePowdermaker
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:26 am to
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The unspoken forgiveness toward Walt that Hank felt just before he died as Walt tried to buy his life for $80 million.


I didn't think it was clear that Hank granted that forgiveness.

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The rashness of Skylar and idiot boy when dealing with Walt. (You know the shite has obviously hit the fan and your first reaction is to, instead of figuring out what's wrong, stab Walt/call the cops).


Meh. I don't see how Walt could have possibly thought they would just walk out the door with him - particularly Walt Jr. Look at it from Skylar's perspective...what the hell is in it for Walt Jr. to be on the lam with a criminal? IMO, she made the exact right call by drawing a bright line.

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Walt's painful, forced vindication of Skylar in front of the cops before he knows he's going to get his fresh start. Think about that. The last time he talks to his wife he essentially acts as a sociopathic (Which he is not) abuser in order to clear her name. So gut wrenching.


Well, he has certainly become sociopathic - I suppose it's debatable that he's an abuser (although I think a strong case could be made).
I didn't find it particularly gut-wrenching to find an evil guy managed to find the slightest bit of non-evil for 5 minutes.

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The only thing really unlikeable that Walt did was stab Jesse and twist the knife.


He also attempted to get his disabled son to go on the lam with him.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45183 posts
Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:29 am to
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Well, he has certainly become sociopathic


He's not a sociopath. He certainly has empathy. He was a broken person after watching Hank get shot and he was crying while he talked to Skylar on the phone.

Posted by TigersRuleTheEarth
Laffy
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:32 am to
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The unspoken forgiveness toward Walt that Hank felt just before he died as Walt tried to buy his life for $80 million.


Yeah, I didn't see this. I think Hank's hatred melted away a bit, but it didn't dissapear.
Posted by HortensePowdermaker
Member since Feb 2013
696 posts
Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:33 am to
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He's not a sociopath. He certainly has empathy. He was a broken person after watching Hank get shot and he was crying while he talked to Skylar on the phone.


Over the course of the series, he has clearly shown sociopathic tendencies. Yes, it was finally taken so far in the last episode that even he - as rotten as he is - reached a breaking point. If only he would have shown some of that over the past year.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 12:00 pm to
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If only he would have shown some of that over the past year.


He did, towards Jesse. A sociopath would've shot him in the desert instead of letting him go.

Oddly enough, if he did shoot him none of this would have happened.
Posted by taylork37
Member since Mar 2010
15316 posts
Posted on 9/16/13 at 12:10 pm to
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Need to start Breaking Bad, but it was even better than the Season 3 Finale of LOST?


This episode was great, but I feel like emotionally, the season 3 finale of lost takes the cake.

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