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doubleb
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I guess if that's what we have to do to get the world to care about chemical weapons use in Syria, so be it, because the world would have done nothing if the U.S. had done nothing. Not it appears the world is committing to a non-violent diplomatic solution. Oh no! What a failure!


Last I checked the civil war was continuing, Obama was posturing, Assad was gaining strength, and Putin was acting like the barnyard rooster.

Neville Chamberlain would be proud. We have a peaceful resolution here. Spidey said so.






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Tigerlaff
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We humiliated ourselves by electing ObamWe humiliated ourselves by electing Obama twice.a twice.


This. We deserve it.






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DeltaDoc
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Believe it or not, I talk to Englishmen and Australians and Canadians, etc., constantly. None of them would "acknowledge" that Romney would have handled something better when they don't know it to be the case.


Maybe your buddies are not as intelligent or as curious or attentive as mine.







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mmcgrath
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He also said that he feels embarrassed for the US that our nation has been humiliated by Russia, of all nations, on the international stage due to the ineptness of our leadership.


Yeah, that op-ed piece was so biting, I was like "Oh Snap!"

Bitter defeat for the US. Don't know how we will recover.



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CptBengal
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Yeah, that op-ed piece was so biting, I was like "Oh Snap!"


wow. You progs never cease to amaze me with your failure.

The humiliation was how Putin and Co. PLAYED Obama on the international diplomacy stage, making the peace prize winner look like a deranged war monger...and simultaneously making a brutal dictator and KGB thug look like peace loving statesman.

you people are full on delusional with Obama. It's insane.






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Bard
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re: Interesting Conversation With A Friend In England


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Better under Obama, obviously.


Please explain. I'm sure the Egyptians would like to know the answer to this as well.

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How were we harmed by posturing Russia into pressuring one of its allies to give up its weapons?


Only the purposefully blind see it as anything other than Russia backing Obama off of going into Syria. Let's see what the conservative outlets have to say...

Real Clear Politics

CNN

The Guardian

HuffPo







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Revelator
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AS IF an Englishman is sufficiently familiar with Mitt Romney to "acknowledge" that he would have handled something better. Your post, like most of your others, is a crock.



Even if we accepted your premise that the Englishman's opinion of Obama and Mitt had no weight because of his lack of knowledge on these people, it doesn't mean his perception is inconsequential. In fact, the worlds perception of Obama as weak would be bad for us even if it weren't factual. Just the idea of a weakened America could embolden nations to act in ways that they would not otherwise. Your flippant disregard of the worlds perceptions of this president is short sided.






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shinerfan
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Being a Brit, he probably actually like this erosion of respect, though he would not admit it.




The Brits are in a tough spot with this. Deep down, I'm pretty sure they see us as the dimwitted little brother with the retard strength but they also know that their outsized influence in world affairs is rooted firmly in their unique relationship with us.






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Rex
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n fact, the worlds perception of Obama as weak would be bad for us even if it weren't factual. Just the idea of a weakened America could embolden nations to act in ways that they would not otherwise.

So, you agreed with Obama and Kerry before the Russian deal that we should strike Syria with bombs. Funny, I don't recall you mentioning it at the time.






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Revelator
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So, you agreed with Obama and Kerry before the Russian deal that we should strike Syria with bombs. Funny, I don't recall you mentioning it at the time.



No, I wasn't for military action against Syria then or now. There was no need for Obama to issue an ultimatum at all, but he did and needlessly made himself look foolish by painting himself into a corner with rough talk.






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NC_Tigah
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Yeah, that op-ed piece was so biting, I was like "Oh Snap!"

Bitter defeat for the US. Don't know how we will recover.
We'll probably recover the same way an adult poster would after making the preadolescent statement: "I was like 'Oh Snap!'" . . . . recovery will come with time and improvement.






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mmcgrath
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The humiliation was how Putin and Co. PLAYED Obama on the international diplomacy stage, making the peace prize winner look like a deranged war monger...and simultaneously making a brutal dictator and KGB thug look like peace loving statesman.
If you think that the parts of the world that live right next to Russia think highly of Putin, you are delusional. They will celebrate the day he is no longer in power.

As for any perceived weakness by Obama or the US: The main reason we didn't go to war was due to resistance to get involved by our own citizens. L:istening to the citizens of the US isn't a weakness.

This will play out better on the international stage than anyone expects. The only real miscue was Obama's last speech.






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CptBengal
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If you think that the parts of the world that live right next to Russia think highly of Putin, you are delusional. They will celebrate the day he is no longer in power.


which is exactly why it was PATHETICALLY INEPT that he outmaneuvered obama and Co. in a period of 2 fricking days.

jesus, you people are literally insane in your devotion.






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Rex
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There was no need for Obama to issue an ultimatum at all, but he did and needlessly made himself look foolish by painting himself into a corner with rough talk.

So, piecing your two latest posts together, talking rough and thereby getting Syria to give up its chemical weapons made America look weaker than if Obama had said nothing and allowed Syria to keep them.

You make no sense, but you have plenty of company here (DeltaDoc, CptBengal, Poodlebrain, etc.)... so you can at least take comfort nuzzled among your fellow sheep.

I see this for what it is: automatic and incoherent opposition to anything Obama.






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DeltaDoc
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No, I wasn't for military action against Syria then or now. There was no need for Obama to issue an ultimatum at all, but he did and needlessly made himself look foolish by painting himself into a corner with rough talk.


For some reason, that is what the supporters of Obama in this boondoggle (I did not say the left because many on the left are seeing the light relative to this situation) cannot grasp.

We never should have been involved in the first place and Obama (and Kerry) never should have drawn lines in the sand.

Once that happened, there was no good outcome for the US.

I am glad we are not bombing Syria and hope that it never happens, but by sticking our nose where it did not belong and thus allowing Putin, of all people, to appear to be the adult in the room really made the US appear weak.

Another issue which makes no logical sense is that Obama and his supporters seem to be fine with Assad using bombs, bullets and the like to slaughter thousands, but take issue with the use of chemical weapons (assuming he used chem weapons). Dead is dead.







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DeltaDoc
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I see this for what it is: automatic and incoherent opposition to anything Obama.


Says the guy who said not to support Romney because he would attack Syria...






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mmcgrath
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jesus, you people are literally insane in your devotion
Not at all devoted. I just don't think it's important for leaders to defend themselves ar every turn. Everyone on here seems to be so concerned about how things appeared vs what actually happened.






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DeltaDoc
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Everyone on here seems to be so concerned about how things appeared vs what actually happened.


I personally am concerned about not only what happened, but what continues to happen. The war drum beating may be slower, but it is still present. Moreover, this never should have happened in the first place, period. This is an issue for the UN, period.






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EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Your friend knows more about American politics than most Americans.





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Enadious
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Well, I'd say. How were we harmed by posturing Russia into pressuring one of its allies to give up its weapons?


Not so fast, Bucko.

Liberals are just soooo gullible.

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In exchange for relinquishing his chemical arsenal, Mr. Assad said Thursday, he will require that the United States stop arming the Syrian opposition

Mr. Assad outlined his demands on Thursday, telling a Russian TV interviewer that the arms-control proposal floated by his patron in Moscow would not be finalized until “we see the United States really wants stability in our region and stops threatening, striving to attack and also ceases arms deliveries to terrorists.”
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