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Chuck Hagel was nearly run out of D.C. For merely stating, "I am not an Israeli Senator. I am a U.S Senator" . How dare that Anti-Semite.

Any slight notion that you may want to criticize Israel will get you that label. Although Obama has been slightly critical of Illegal settlements he has no problem being the LONE nation to veto UN sanctions against those settlements.

A Nation of under 10 million can grab as much land as it pleases due to the automatic veto on the UN Security Council.
So much BS in so few words.

Hats off for the efficiency.







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Wealthy assimilated bourgeoisie Jews of Berlin, Budapest, Salonika, etc., and Bolshiviks, were a very small percentage of the Jewish victims.
That is a load of crap. Jews with assets were particularly high value targets specifically for their wealth. They were the 1%'ers of their time. Of course they would have been a small percentage of the total victims.

The Germans weren't particularly kind to wealthy, assimilated, bourgeoisie Catholics from Alsace as the concentration camp tattoos given several of my relatives indicate. They were put into labor camps to prevent them from joining, or participating, in the Resistance. Their properties were confiscated. They recovered their real properties, but most personal assets that weren't hidden away, were never recovered when the war ended.






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think you'll start seeing it. The perpetrators and victims are dying out quickly now.

In a few more years you won't be able to see and talk to anyone who actually participated in it, just like slaves and slavery now.


We'll see, but I doubt it very seriously. There is International Holocaust remembrance Day (Hebrew name escapes me) & it will probably be spoken of with reverance for centuries to come(see Passover).

The difference with American slavery is that overall it's a fairly sore subject & outside of the regional "Juneteenth" celebration it's rarely commemorated.








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RollTide1987
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Holocaust -"Never Forget"

Slavery/Jim Crow-"Get over it"



For one...institutionalized slavery will more than likely never happen again on the massive scale we saw in the 19th Century. However...genocide happens every day.







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That is a load of crap. Jews with assets were particularly high value targets specifically for their wealth. They were the 1%'ers of their time. Of course they would have been a small percentage of the total victims.

The Germans weren't particularly kind to wealthy, assimilated, bourgeoisie Catholics from Alsace as the concentration camp tattoos given several of my relatives indicate. They were put into labor camps to prevent them from joining, or participating, in the Resistance. Their properties were confiscated. They recovered their real properties, but most personal assets that weren't hidden away, were never recovered when the war ended.








I'm truly amazed by the ignorance of some on this board regarding this subject. Both slavery and the Holocaust were very real and very tragic. And anyone who denies their existence or tries to minimize the horrors is an idiot.

CT is so passionate on the subject of Israel, he ignores facts and spews hatred, and diminishes his credibility, which is sad because CT is not a stupid person.
Guys like trackfan, sugar71, and hortensepowdermilker love to paint America as a racist nation, which is why they have no credibility. They insult the blacks who lived through Jim Crow and the civil rights movement by asserting that anyone with conservative values is racist. They paint the white republicans as war mongering racists, and black republicans as phonies or Uncle Tom's. It's sickening.



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CarrolltonTiger
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That is a load of crap.


No it isn't of the millions killed the vast majority were poor Eastern jews, only a tiny fraction were not.


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They were the 1%'ers of their time. Of course they would have been a small percentage of the total victims.


You dumb arse you just proved my point "were a very small percentage of the Jewish victims". You wrote the exact same thing.






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sugar71
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For one...institutionalized slavery will more than likely never happen again on the massive scale we saw in the 19th Century. However...genocide happens every day


And because 'institutional slavery will more than likely never happen again' it's not worth commemorating? A blind eye is turned to human trafficking & slavery everyday as well.

I see you didn't bother to mention Jim Crow & we see that Institutionalized racism & segregation has still happened despite American history(South Africa ) .

And some Right Wing /Republicans supported the Apartheid regime despite the lessons of America. So it's not surprising they refuse to show up for the 50th anniversary of The March on Washington.







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So much BS in so few words. Hats off for the efficiency.

Which part do you take exception to?






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trackfan
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Wealthy assimilated bourgeoisie Jews of Berlin, Budapest, Salonika, etc., and Bolshiviks, were a very small percentage of the Jewish victims.
Of course they would have been a small percentage of the total victims.

It seems like you and CT are saying the same thing.






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And some Right Wing /Republicans supported the Apartheid regime despite the lessons of America. So it's not surprising they refuse to show up for the 50th anniversary of The March on Washington.




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How is Israel the responsibility of the U.S. government?
I give up, what's the answer?






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You responded to a statement that Jews were doing pretty well in Europe compared to slaves in America with the crap about the majority of Jews being comparable to agrarian peasants, and the bit about wealthy assimilated bourgeoisie Jews being a small percentage of the victims. What exactly was your purpose for the distinction? Were you seriously trying to convey the idea that relatively few Jews in Europe were doing pretty well compared to African slaves in the United States? I want to know why you responded as if the Holocaust wasn't the worst thing to ever happen to European Jews, no matter their wealth.

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No it isn't of the millions killed the vast majority were poor Eastern jews, only a tiny fraction were not.
What about the Jewish middle class? What happened to all of the skilled craftsmen, doctors, artists, merchants, etc? They composed more than just a tiny fraction of the victims. The truly wealthy were a tiny fraction, but there were many middle class urban Jews killed as well. And you would have a hard time claiming they were not doing well.






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I give up, what's the answer?




Good paper on the subject. If you're willing to read it.


I know CT, Trackfan, Ethan & Sugar71 aren't.







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CarrolltonTiger
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What about the Jewish middle class?


Most of the killings were of Jews in between Germany and Russia, there was no substantial middle class in Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, etc, the Middle class bourgeois Jews of western and Eastern Europe were still a tiny fraction of who was killed in the holocaust.

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I want to know why you responded as if the Holocaust wasn't the worst thing to ever happen to European Jews, no matter their wealth.


I did no such thing you dumb piece of shite.

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The Holocaust was the worst thing to happen to Jews who were doing quite well.


I narrowly responded to the above. The majority of the Jews killed were not doing quite well, the plight of Jews in Europe was not that great, (mainly Easter Jews were killed) there was little social mobility, most were poor peasants, they were subject to pograms and anti-Semitism, they had been bailing out of Europe for decades. If you want to believe otherwise for some purpose suit yourself. But the plight of Jews in the killing fields was not that great Jews were tiny minorities in the west they were plentiful in the East, some had assimilated well in the West, not so many in the east you dumb shite. They were mainly poor and the few bourgeoisie had suffered decades of Communist leveling.







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CarrolltonTiger
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Everyone should read it and see how superficial and baseless it is. Make your own decision IMHO it is a load of Zionist crap. Israeli propaganda paid for by AIPAC and spread by Israeli firsters.

WINEP is a tax exempt front for AIPAC and Likud

Martin Indyk, an Australian-trained academic and former deputy director of research for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), helped found WINEP in 1985.

He began his career in Washington in 1982 working as a deputy research director for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), arguably the most powerful pro-Israel lobbying group in the nation with access to the U.S. Congress like no other. From there he helped found The Washington Institute for Near East Policy in 1985, a think tank known to be pro-Israeli.

Most recently Indyk was vice president of the Brookings Institution and the Director of the Saban Centre for Middle East Policy.

In addition to being close to several Israeli leaders, Indyk is a board member of the New Israel Fund and of the National Security Studies in Israel and he is also a member of the advisory board of the Israel Democracy Institute.






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REG861
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I want to know why you responded as if the Holocaust wasn't the worst thing to ever happen to European Jews, no matter their wealth.


I did no such thing you dumb piece of shite.



I'm shocked that CT hasnt keeled over dead from a heart attack yet. He's like that angry guy in Entourage that dies on the golf course. How one human being can function with this much anger on a daily basis is a mystery beyond the one posed by the OP.






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Navtiger1
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keeping an eye on the Holocaust talk to see how long before the "move on" or "get over it" talk begins.


Give it another hundred years. That’s about what separates the holocaust and slavery. So yeah get over it. When holocaust victims/survivors are 2 or 3 generations removed from their suffering it will be time to say get over it.

As for your Jim Crow reference, they don't compare. You cannot compare Jim Crow laws to whole sale slaughter.


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thoughtfulness to realize the despicable notion that Hitler/Nazis did Jews a favor with the eventual creation of Israel


This is an ignorant statement and neither what happened to the Jews or to blacks can really be called a favor. I’m pretty sure the millions of Jews killed didn't see their torture and death as a favor.

As for the question on the museum don't know why. it might be that there are millions of Jews living here. It could be because of our part in WWII. Who knows why we have one here. And yes it would be stupid to have an American slavery museum in another country seeing as how it does not in any way apply to their country or people.






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Lima Whiskey
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WINEP and AIPAC are the domestic lobbying arm of the Israeli foreign ministry.

AIPAC is the successor to the AZC. Kennedy had them shutdown for violating Foreign Agents Registration Act. If you wanted to, you could pin AIPAC for FARA violations as well - but there's no political interest in that.

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Like any great power we have hangers on, people who know how to exploit us for their own purposes. Once upon a time that was Taiwan, now it's Israel.



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