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Are you ready for the post-college SAT? (WSJ article)



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Next spring, seniors at about 200 U.S. colleges will take a new test that could prove more important to their future than final exams: an SAT-like assessment that aims to cut through grade-point averages and judge students' real value to employers.

The test, called the Collegiate Learning Assessment, "provides an objective, benchmarked report card for critical thinking skills," said David Pate, dean of the School of Arts and Sciences at St. John Fisher College, a small liberal-arts school near Rochester, N.Y. "The students will be able to use it to go out and market themselves."

The test is part of a movement to find new ways to assess the skills of graduates. Employers say grades can be misleading and that they have grown skeptical of college credentials.

"For too long, colleges and universities have said to the American public, to students and their parents, 'Trust us, we're professional. If we say that you're learning and we give you a diploma it means you're prepared,' " said Michael Poliakoff, vice president of policy for the American Council of Trustees and Alumni. "But that's not true."

The new voluntary test, which the nonprofit behind it calls CLA +, represents the latest threat to the fraying monopoly that traditional four-year colleges have enjoyed in defining what it means to be well educated.

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The Council for Aid to Education, the CLA + test's creator, is a New York-based nonprofit that once was part of Rand Corp. The 90-minute exam is based on a test that has been used by 700 schools to grade themselves and improve how well their students are learning.


I would love to see some sample CLA + questions. Is the board in favor of adding yet another standardized exam, this time one meant to predict actual job performance?



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re: Are you ready for the post-college SAT? (WSJ article)


Hell yeah.

If I can educate myself and get a great score, then I don't need to spend all that cash on college.

ETA: Some Universities might oppose this for fear that it could lead to some sort of College equivalency diploma like a GED does for high school.
That could knock them out of a lot of cash. College is big business.



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Is the board in favor of adding yet another standardized exam, this time one meant to predict actual job performance?


Nope. Most things businesses really care about at that point can't be measured on a scantron, IMO.






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So why the frick do we even pay for college? Lets just take this test straight out of high school and be done with it

Of course that would be ridiculous but it sounds like they want to bypass your college performance and judge you by this test






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Nope. Most things businesses really care about at that point can't be measured on a scantron, IMO.

Valid point. Which is why I want to see some sample questions. Curious as to what they ask, how they ask it, format, etc






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If I can self educate myself and get a great score, then I don't need to spend all that cash on college.


I agree with that, actually. But are those post-graduate exams restricted today?






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Not that I necessarily support this, but I'm glad individual colleges and universities are getting out ahead of this before the state or the federal government can try and institute a government-run standardized test.





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I like the idea for these reasons

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. Employers say grades can be misleading and that they have grown skeptical of college credentials.






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onmymedicalgrind
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Employers say grades can be misleading and that they have grown skeptical of college credentials.

True, but at the same time, I feel like a predictable, standardized test score may also be quite misleading.






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I've never seen the test, have no idea what will be covered, nor have I heard anything about it until I opened this string.

But, let me be the first to give the Rev-a-runds Jackson's and Sharpton's response before they see the test or the results --

It's RACIST! Just another way to keep the black man down.



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standardized test score may also be quite misleading.


Engineers have PEs. Bar exams for lawyers. Doctors have residence. Nursing exams. I'm sure other professions have some form of post graduate tests if they are worth a damn.






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Jay Quest
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I feel like a predictable, standardized test score may also be quite misleading

Absolutely no question about that. If the test does not do what it is allegedly designed to do it will fall by the wayside.






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Well let's face it. In the workforce, critical thinking skills are valued.

Problem solving skills are valued.

Are these being taught? Not so much.






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re: Are you ready for the post-college SAT? (WSJ article)


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But, let me be the first to give the Rev-a-runds Jackson's and Sharpton's response before they see the test or the results -- It's RACIST! Just another way to keep the black man down.

First thought that popped into my mind. If Florida A&M grads don't fair as well as Stanford grads on the exam then its obviously racist and should not be considered.






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I would love to see some sample CLA + questions.


What are they trying to measure? The GRE would already give results for verbal and quantitative reasoning.


Is this a test that is able to measure the apples and oranges abilities of a geologist, political scientist, English and Business major?


Seems more like a way for the testing agencies to make money giving tests than a real need.






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onmymedicalgrind
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Engineers have PEs. Bar exams for lawyers. Doctors have residence. Nursing exams. I'm sure other professions have some form of post graduate tests if they are worth a damn.


True, but those are exams that test you specifically on what you must know for your profession--which you take after (or sometimes during) completion of graduate school. They are obviously very focused exams.

I'm just not sure you can make a generic standardized test of "work ethic" or "critical thinking skills" that applies to a wide range of occupations, like it seems this test is trying to do.






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I would be happy to put up my foreign services officers exam as a substitute. The breakdown was an over all passing grade, then it broke down to two subsection in the 90's, two in the 80's and one in the seventies. The English section was missed by two points(missed it by that much), the interview phase would have been next. When you leave the exam room your head aches.





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Are these being taught? Not so much.


I'm not sure intelligence can be taught, intelligent people have these skills. Critical thinking is a trait IMHO.






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Could maybe be useful in showing how good of a job different colleges are doing educating people, but it mostly sounds like a money making bull shite test to me.





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Meh, took the bar exam in July. Overall, 5/10 experience. No snacks. Well air conditioned. Knowledgeable proctors. Overall, would recommend but will not go back.





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