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What's wrong with possession receivers?
Posted on 8/20/13 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 8/20/13 at 8:57 pm
Seriously, give me a possession receiver every time. If I know a guy will get open, and be on the spot he's suppose to be, and catch the ball 95% of time, give me that guy.
I know many Saints fans have lamented how we don't have a receiver that scares anyone, but what's scarier to an opposing team to have a bunch of guys that do nothing but pick up first downs and move down the field?
I know many Saints fans have lamented how we don't have a receiver that scares anyone, but what's scarier to an opposing team to have a bunch of guys that do nothing but pick up first downs and move down the field?
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Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:09 pm to Patrick O Rly
+1
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:10 pm to Patrick O Rly
Because having that deep threat to draw safeties over the top has been a staple in the offense since Payton arrived.
For last few seasons, Henderson & Meachem unselfishly ran hard on deep routes when they knew they weren't probably getting the ball inorder to clear out safety help underneath. This helps open up the intermediate middle of the field for other receivers.
If the safety stayed to protect the middle or was late getting over Drew made them pay for their sins. A portion of the offense's success has been by in large to the unselfishness of those outside receivers.
For last few seasons, Henderson & Meachem unselfishly ran hard on deep routes when they knew they weren't probably getting the ball inorder to clear out safety help underneath. This helps open up the intermediate middle of the field for other receivers.
If the safety stayed to protect the middle or was late getting over Drew made them pay for their sins. A portion of the offense's success has been by in large to the unselfishness of those outside receivers.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:12 pm to Patrick O Rly
I don't think there's anything wrong with possession receivers, but when you don't really have anyone who can break a defense open for a 40+ yard TD, you have to be extremely effective at dinking and dunking (which we tend to be.) When you can't score quickly, it's less likely you'll keep long sustained drives going on a regular basis throughout a game.
Just MO
Just MO
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:14 pm to Patrick O Rly
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Seriously, give me a possession receiver every time. If I know a guy will get open, and be on the spot he's suppose to be, and catch the ball 95% of time, give me that guy.
I know many Saints fans have lamented how we don't have a receiver that scares anyone, but what's scarier to an opposing team to have a bunch of guys that do nothing but pick up first downs and move down the field?
The obvious answer to this is having a guy (or two) who can stretch the field gives those possession receivers room to do damage.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:17 pm to Patrick O Rly
Colston has been the most consistent over the years. But anytime you mention his name on the MSB in a discussion involving the better WR's in the game, you're just labeled a Saintard.
yet no one ever responses with a credible explanation as to why he isn't one. The go to line is always "Brees makes the Saints WR's better than they are."
that is mostly true but considering how steady Colston has been, I really don't give a crap what they say. Colston is one of like 3 or 4 WR's to post over 1,000 yards receiving in their rookie year since 2000.
yet no one ever responses with a credible explanation as to why he isn't one. The go to line is always "Brees makes the Saints WR's better than they are."
that is mostly true but considering how steady Colston has been, I really don't give a crap what they say. Colston is one of like 3 or 4 WR's to post over 1,000 yards receiving in their rookie year since 2000.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:20 pm to LooseCannon22282
that injury in 2008 set him back but when he was on the field, he produced.
in his rookie year of 2006, he should have been in the discussion for ROTY. But vs. the Bengals, he got hurt and missed like two games.
in his rookie year of 2006, he should have been in the discussion for ROTY. But vs. the Bengals, he got hurt and missed like two games.
This post was edited on 8/20/13 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:23 pm to LooseCannon22282
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"Brees makes the Saints WR's better than they are."
This is pretty dumb. I hate when people say this about any player, "oh they're just good because their QB or WR makes them look good." People say that about Stafford bc of Calvin Johnson all the time.
Uhhhh how about you look over in Arizone. Larry Fitzgerland is one of the top 5 best WR's in the league and he's not racking up 2000 yard regardless of who he's throwing the ball. People in this day and age knock down achievements so easily to where accomplishing some like what Brees did on 2011 or CJ did in 2012 just gets labeled as "oh, the offenses throw the ball a ton these days, so thats why." Stupid shite
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:27 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
The correct statement to make would be that Brees knows how utilize their maximum talents
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:29 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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This is pretty dumb. I hate when people say this about any player, "oh they're just good because their QB or WR makes them look good." People say that about Stafford bc of Calvin Johnson all the time.
Exactly.
And just to be clear, I'm not downplaying the importance of players that can "take the top off" of defenses, but possession receiver is almost used as a pejorative at times. It would be very hard (at least off the top of my head) to come up with a posseion duo like Colston and Moore that has put up the same type of numbers. They just produce.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:29 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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This is pretty dumb.
I don't think it is.
Our WR corps is not exactly elite.
I mean, look what happens when our receivers go to other teams.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:32 pm to Patrick O Rly
Nothing.
Just make sure not all your starters are "possession recv".
The last couple of years our recv have looked slow and not very able to make space themselves. As we all know the throws and tight spots Brees puts the ball make them all look better than they are.
Just make sure not all your starters are "possession recv".
The last couple of years our recv have looked slow and not very able to make space themselves. As we all know the throws and tight spots Brees puts the ball make them all look better than they are.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:35 pm to Hoodoo Man
Our receivers are asked to do a number of things more so than other offenses in the league. For example, they are asked to be good at run blocking, run hard even when they know they're not going to be thrown to, and catch passes in small windows, which often leads to hard hits. We almost want them to be somewhat interchangeable, all the while having a skill set they excel at.
I wouldn't say our receivers are elite, but we sure do get our value of them before they leave.
I wouldn't say our receivers are elite, but we sure do get our value of them before they leave.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:36 pm to Patrick O Rly
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And just to be clear, I'm not downplaying the importance of players that can "take the top off" of defenses, but possession receiver is almost used as a pejorative at times. It would be very hard (at least off the top of my head) to come up with a posseion duo like Colston and Moore that has put up the same type of numbers. They just produce.
Oh I agree. If anything, possession receivers are more important in this offense specifically because of our unique type of ball control via mostly passing instead of pounding the ball. I also feel like having a guy who can tear down the field for Brees to find off PA is a staple in this offense that when its clicking, is damn hard to beat. That said, if all you can do is speed down the field, then you're really not very useful in this offense. Look at Morgan, he only caught like 10 damn balls all year. If you can't make key catches to keep drives alive, you're not of much use to this team IMO
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I don't think it is.
Our WR corps is not exactly elite.
I mean, look what happens when our receivers go to other teams.
Meh. I see what you're saying. But I still hate how easily players accomplishments in the league get belittled. You can point to Meachem failing last year in San Diego I guess. But I'd be willing to be that Colston and Moore would be very solid if they moved on somewhere else. Brees is obviously one of the best in the game, but even he needs a little help from the receivers every once in awhile.
Colston putting up as many 1000 yard seasons as he has isn't a fluke.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:39 pm to Patrick O Rly
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I wouldn't say our receivers are elite, but we sure do get our value of them before they leave.
That is in large part due to our scheme and QB. And, both of those become greater advantages when you have a WR or two who can threaten over the top.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:41 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
a good player to compare Colston to over the years has been Greg Jennings.
just my opinion.
I mean they both have played in a pass heavy offense and are the same age. People used to pump up Jennings as a Top 10 WR yet his numbers were usually right on par with Colston.
well, Colston has passed him up now thanks to Jennings missing a lot of games last year. But nobody could argue that Colston has missed time b/c of an injury either. 2007 and 2009 were the only seasons where he didn't miss a game. Those injuries weren't exactly minor either.
just my opinion.
I mean they both have played in a pass heavy offense and are the same age. People used to pump up Jennings as a Top 10 WR yet his numbers were usually right on par with Colston.
well, Colston has passed him up now thanks to Jennings missing a lot of games last year. But nobody could argue that Colston has missed time b/c of an injury either. 2007 and 2009 were the only seasons where he didn't miss a game. Those injuries weren't exactly minor either.
This post was edited on 8/20/13 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:43 pm to Patrick O Rly
I use the term "possession receiver" to describe a wr that runs good routes and has good hands. Not surprising that this helps their chances to succeed.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:51 pm to Patrick O Rly
I like our possession receivers.
I just want a single receiver who can stretch the field.
That's all.
One hand washes the other, and they both wash the balls.
I just want a single receiver who can stretch the field.
That's all.
One hand washes the other, and they both wash the balls.
This post was edited on 8/20/13 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 8/20/13 at 10:01 pm to Patrick O Rly
I think having a possesion and a deep threat wr are both equally as important to any offense. Got to have the guy to stretch the field while the other works the underneath routes.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 10:17 pm to Patrick O Rly
They will win you a lot of games but eventually you need to have some guys that teams like San Francisco fear. Or they will tee offon yyour guys like theyhave the last few years against out wrs
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