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World Class OC and DC....

Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:17 am
Posted by Phil2012
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:17 am
LSU fans have never had it so good. We now have world class coordinators. I'll admit that Les took the long and winding road to get there. But we are here! Sakes alive, let's enjoy it! I see this offense shocking a lot of folks. The defense won't have to pull such a load this year. Me, I'm planning on enjoying the full ride.
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:22 am to
The jury is still out on cam
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18739 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:23 am to
Was that a "sakes alive"? I agree with you fwiw
Posted by SlickRick15
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2009
38 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:24 am to
With Miles still at the helm....
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53750 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:25 am to
quote:

The jury is still out on cam


Well, if he can't get the offense to work, then we have a player problem

Dude is good as they come...

Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23050 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:37 am to
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Message Posted by SlickRick15 With Miles still at the helm....
in other words we're unstoppable. CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by YellowShoe
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2006
1381 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:49 am to
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With Miles still at the helm....

See.. we even have a built-in excuse. We have a reason for any outcome. Good - not-Les. Bad: Les.
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22504 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:55 am to
Crowton was voted the top coordinator in the country when LSU won the nc. Just because Cameron had some success in the pros doesn't mean he will be successful at the college level. I would say Charlie Weiss is a better cood than Cameron and he didn't do crap as the cood of UF. Only time will tell, but to say LSU is going to be better just b/c Cameron is here is foolish.
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 7:59 am
Posted by Phil2012
The planet
Member since Dec 2005
6213 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:24 am to
Cam has stated that he has been watching and keeping tabs on LSU for 8-10 yrs. He is sharp enough to have seen all the flaws and strengths of the teams along the way. To me he seems humble enough to have also seen his own short-comings from last year in the pros. He seems eager, energized and confident to get the job done. He's allowed Les to save face, but I have to believe he will call the plays and only seldom will Les but in and offer suggestions. Les knows that his offense was not getting the job done last year...too predictable. If Cam gets the job done, Les will not override he often. If we don't loose anymore key players, I think that LSU fans will be happy. We have the right material to run Cam's game plan...and the players like what they see. I take that as a good sigh. JMHO, I'll be somewhat disappointed if they don't average close to 40pts. a game.
Posted by LSUfoosball
Member since Nov 2006
4425 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:30 am to
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Cam has stated that he has been watching and keeping tabs on LSU for 8-10 yrs.


Maybe that's why he was fired in the NFL?
Posted by Phil2012
The planet
Member since Dec 2005
6213 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:34 am to
There is never a shortage of negative ranturds, are there! I bet the other SEC coaches would agree with me over you any day! I stay as far away from crap like you as I can! You're a looser!
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14808 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:34 am to
pro coaches don't always work out in college and vice versa. the issue with cam is he's not a long term hire. I'd imagine with a couple good years, he'll jump back to the nfl. There aren't many ststic coordinators as good as Chavis out there. Obviously you take a couple years of good offense even if the guy leaves. I guess the problem is more with Les than with Cam. You have to worry about another bad hire to replace a good coordinator, like we've seen on both sides of the ball.

Posted by mikeytig
NE of Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2007
7046 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:38 am to
quote:

Dude is good as they come...


based on what? After the Ravens axed him they went on to win the Superbowl.
Posted by Phil2012
The planet
Member since Dec 2005
6213 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:42 am to
I wouldn't make too many assumptions about Cam just yet. He seems like a family guy that might just adjust well to Baton Rouge and the approach that Les has to his coaches. Thinking positive seems like the only sensible approach at this time of year. Personally, I like all the changes I've seen so far. Les is growing wiser along the just like Shorty did...fans often have short memories in certain regards to the past and their coaches.
Posted by trooploop
Member since Feb 2013
831 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:05 am to
Cam's offenses were really darn good at Indiana.

Also, in comparison to Weis. Weis was an NFL coordinator for nine seasons. His offenses ranked in the 50th percentile in yards and 65th percentile in points in those nine seasons.

Cam was NFL OC for 11 seasons. His offenses were in the 56th percentile in yards and 66th percentile in points. Cam also did it with an average starting QB experience of 3.2 years.
Posted by trooploop
Member since Feb 2013
831 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:08 am to
In the NFL Perception is Reality (extensive offensive coordinator study)

At the end of the last football season I did a comprehensive study of NFL offensive coordinators (or head coaches with offensive backgrounds) with at least five years of NFL experience in that postion. I've always been interested in the role that perception plays in our evaluation of players and coaches, and how such perceptions often overshadow objective data. To conduct the study, I used www.profootballreference.com as my primary resource.

I certainly wasn't suprised to see New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton leading the pack but there were some suprises.

To conduct the study, I looked at the following 15 primarly offensive catagories: Team W/L %, takeaway/givaway ratio, yards, points, offensive giveaways, rush. att., rush yds., rush TDs, rush Y/A, fewest fumbles, pass att., pass yds., pass TDs, fewest INTs, and net yards per pass attempt.

www.profootballreference.com provides percentile ranks against other teams in all of these categories. I then took the average percentage that a coach achieved in each category. I also looked at what coaches achieved the most top 10 ranks in each category among the 36 coaches evaluated in the study.

The biggest limitation in the study as that the primary source's percentiles reflect the entire career of a coach in that role. Comparing Mike Shanahan's 26 years vs. Joe Philbin's six years (most of which weren't even as a play caller) is the weakest point of the evaluation. However, I still found it to be worthwhile as only eight of the 35 coaches had more than 13 years of NFL experience in the HC or OC role.

Not surprisingly, coaches such as Sean Payton, Josh McDaniels, and Mike McCarthy appeared in the top 10. There were, however, a few surprises. Perception didn't always match reality.

Payton, who has been either an offensive coordinator or head coach for nine seasons, averaged 68 percent in the 15 categories evaluated. During those nine seasons, his offenses have been in the 88th percentile in yards and 71st percentile in points. The only categories that were below the 50th percentile were rushing yards (49) and rushing attempts (46). He was among the top 10 in 10 of the 15 different offensive categories.

Current Washington Redskins head coach Mike Shanahan and Miami Dolphins head coach Joe Philbin led the list in most top 10 ranks with 12 categories. Although Shanahan no longer calls plays, for this study I counted head coaches with offensive backgrounds or named offensive coordinators, even if they didn't call offensive plays. Philbin, who was the offensive coordinator by title as an assistant coach in Green Bay, didn't call plays as that job was held by Mike McCarthy.

The list's top 10 is as follows:

Name (Yrs. as OC or HC) - avg. % rank of 15 categories (top 10 ranks)
1. Sean Payton (9 years) - 68.0 (10)
2. Gary Kubiak (18 years) - 67.9 (11)
3. Joe Philbin (6 years) - 67.6 (12)
4. Mike Shanahan (26 years) - 66.3 (12)
5. Josh McDaniels (7 years) - 66.0 (10)
6. Rick Dennison (6 years) - 65.0 (10)
7. Tom Coughlin (17 years) - 63.3 (9)
8. Cam Cameron (11 years) - 63.0 (11)
9. Mike McCarthy (13 years) - 61.9 (10)
10. Jason Garrett (6 years) - 61.3 (7)

Again, while many of the names aren't surprises, Jason Garrett just relinquished his play calling duties as the head coach of the Cowboys. Former Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator Cam Cameron is now the offensive coordinator at LSU, after being fired toward the end of the Ravens regular season and prior to Baltimore's Super Bowl run.

Not surprisingly, Andy Reid fared well and fell just outside of the top 10 in 12th position. Other coaches with very strong offensive reputations didn't fare nearly as well. Norv Turner, the highly regarded offensive coordintor for the Cleveland Browns was 18th on the list. Jon Gruden, who isn't still coaching but was a possible head coaching candidate when the study was done so I included him, was 20th as he recorded a 54.6 average and was among the top 10 in only one offensive category (fewest INTs thrown). Mike Martz, who produced three of the highest-rated NFL offenses in history, was 28th in the study as most of his other seasons were very mediocre. His averages were hurt by dreadful percentages in turnover categories such as offensive giveaways (18th percentile), although he only had three top 10 categories as well.

Interestingly, several of last year's new head coaches didn't fare well at all in the study as new Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians was 25th and Cleveland's Rob Chudzinski was 30th. Another coach with a very good reputation who fared poorly was Ken Whisenhunt (47.8 average and 0 top 10s).

11-20 on the list, in order: Marty Morningweg, Reid, Mike Mularkey, Al Saunders, Mike Tice, Dirk Koetter, Brad Childress, Turner, Mike Sherman, and Gruden.
Posted by Moustache
GEAUX TIGERS
Member since May 2008
21555 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:11 am to
quote:

he jury is still out on cam


This. I like his style of play, but it's yet to be seen if he can translate his offense to a college kid and be efficient.
Posted by Moustache
GEAUX TIGERS
Member since May 2008
21555 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:12 am to
quote:

MHO, I'll be somewhat disappointed if they don't average close to 40pts. a game.


prepare for disappointment. No way we even approach that number.
Posted by cajunjj
Madison, AL
Member since May 2008
7427 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:15 am to
I will reserve my comment on Cam until he shows me what he can do.
Posted by Phil2012
The planet
Member since Dec 2005
6213 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:22 am to
I like what I'm hearing from the players...they seem to be happy about the changes and speak to their ability to grasp the system...I think his plan fits the personnel that LSU currently has...no major injuries is key as usual...lol
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