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Godfather vs. Cabaret (1972 Oscars)
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:29 pm
The Godfather is considered by many to be one of the greatest filsm of all time. I'm not setting up this thread to dispute that opinion; I've just always found it interesting that Cabaret swamped it at the 1972 Oscars.
Cabaret won 8 trophies that night; The Godfather, only 3. In head-to-head categories, Cabaret won 4-2, losing only Picture and Adapted Screenplay while besting the Coppola film in the categories for Director, Supporting Actor, Editing, and Sound.
Yes, I realize the Academy isn't always the best barometer of how timeless a film is. Still, it is a very good barometer of what the industry thought of a film at the time of its release. Given the fact the The Godfather is held in the same category as GWTW and the other great Oscar-winning Best Pictures, its performance at the '72 Oscars signals that the industry thought otherwise.
Only 14 other films have won 8 or more Oscars. Cabaret is the only film to have won that many and lose Picture.
Thoughts?
Cabaret won 8 trophies that night; The Godfather, only 3. In head-to-head categories, Cabaret won 4-2, losing only Picture and Adapted Screenplay while besting the Coppola film in the categories for Director, Supporting Actor, Editing, and Sound.
Yes, I realize the Academy isn't always the best barometer of how timeless a film is. Still, it is a very good barometer of what the industry thought of a film at the time of its release. Given the fact the The Godfather is held in the same category as GWTW and the other great Oscar-winning Best Pictures, its performance at the '72 Oscars signals that the industry thought otherwise.
Only 14 other films have won 8 or more Oscars. Cabaret is the only film to have won that many and lose Picture.
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 12:39 pm
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Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:36 pm to bluestem75
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losing only Picture
Which is, in the grand scheme of things, kind of a big one, isn't it?
Cabaret is one of those movies that did not age well, but it is a product of its time. Occasionally a film will echo it to a degree, Chorus Line, Chicago, Moulin Rouge, so the industry has not forgotten it - however think of how significant an impact Godfather has had in the intervening (OMG 40!) years.
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:45 pm to bluestem75
One day you might realize that the Oscars are very political and, therefore, pretty much worthless.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:47 pm to ColaTiger
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Oscars are very political
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:51 pm to ColaTiger
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One day you might realize that the Oscars are very political and, therefore, pretty much worthless.
Worthless is probably too strong. I agree with the rest of your sentiment.
Let's take 1998 in film: ultimately Shakespeare in Love took best picture over Elizabeth, Life is Beautiful, Saving Private Ryan and The Thin Red Line. Just like in politics, if The Thin Red Line had not been nominated, SPR probably wins the thing.
Not nominated were Dark City and Pleasantville and, for my money, better than any of the nominees, except SPR.
ETA: I pick on Shakespeare in Love because it was a terrible Best Picture Winner - worse than English Patient, which is pretty bad.
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:57 pm to Ace Midnight
Shakespeare In Love won because Harvey Weistein lobbied heavily for it to win so he could make more money off of it.
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:00 pm to ColaTiger
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Shakespeare In Love won because Harvey Weistein lobbied heavily for it to win so he could make more money off of it.
Just awful. Crash was pretty bad, too. Maybe worse than SiL and English Patient combined.
I have home videos of my kids getting diapers changed that are better than some of these "Best Picture" winners.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:09 pm to bluestem75
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Yes, I realize the Academy isn't always the best barometer of how timeless a film is.
You can say that again.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:10 pm to Ace Midnight
And Crash won because, obviously, it was a melodrama with a heavy-handed anti-racism message. The Academy loves politically correct movies.
I guarantee The Butler gets a boatload of nominations, if not wins them, because it stinks of Oscar bait. The only thing that will hold it back is its release date (August as opposed to December)
I guarantee The Butler gets a boatload of nominations, if not wins them, because it stinks of Oscar bait. The only thing that will hold it back is its release date (August as opposed to December)
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:25 pm to ColaTiger
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I guarantee The Butler gets a boatload of nominations, if not wins them, because it stinks of Oscar bait.
I will say that I have never seen Whittaker turn in anything but A or A+ performances.
Whether that's enough to carry a film to 6 or 8 Oscars remains to be seen.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:45 pm to bluestem75
The Oscars are bullshite. When Shakespeare in Love beat Saving Private Ryan I stopped watching them.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 3:24 pm to Radiojones
At the time, Cabaret was a huge pop culture phenomenon. But it didn't have any legs.
Sort of like watching Avatar and wondering, "Why the hell was this the most successful movie ever made?"
Sort of like watching Avatar and wondering, "Why the hell was this the most successful movie ever made?"
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