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Mike Trout turns 22 today
Posted on 8/7/13 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 8/7/13 at 3:35 pm
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check out that link to see how amazing he has been through this point. has a chance to be one of the greatest ever.
i think he would be my 2013 mvp right now as well, although a case could certainly be made for miggy.
eta: here is another link worth checking out.
check out that link to see how amazing he has been through this point. has a chance to be one of the greatest ever.
i think he would be my 2013 mvp right now as well, although a case could certainly be made for miggy.
eta: here is another link worth checking out.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 3:39 pm
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 3:40 pm to The Seaward
So his base running and defense make him significantly better than those other guys according to WAR?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 3:45 pm to mattz1122
Mike Trout stole my birthday thunder.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 3:48 pm to The Seaward
Trout is having a better year offensively than last season, but his defensive metrics are significantly worse.
It's hard to argue for that in his favor, considering how unreliable they are, IMO. Last year he was off the charts defensively, this year he's below average?
The reality is likely somewhere in the middle.
Obviously he's better than Miggy on the bases, but Miggy's batting line is simply remarkable right now.
It's hard to argue for that in his favor, considering how unreliable they are, IMO. Last year he was off the charts defensively, this year he's below average?
The reality is likely somewhere in the middle.
Obviously he's better than Miggy on the bases, but Miggy's batting line is simply remarkable right now.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 3:48 pm to mattz1122
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So his base running and defense make him significantly better than those other guys according to WAR?
I think that has alot to do with it, but he also has the highest wRC+, which is strictly hitting. That must mostly be due to era and park effects since a bunch of those guys have higher wOBAs.
Plus, they didn't even really have defensive metrics back then, so WAR is far an exact comparison. But either way, Trout is just remarkable.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 8/7/13 at 3:51 pm to OBUDan
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Obviously he's better than Miggy on the bases, but Miggy's batting line is simply remarkable right now.
Dat OPS
Posted on 8/7/13 at 3:52 pm to The Seaward
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hat must mostly be due to era and park effects since a bunch of those guys have higher wOBAs.
It's a park and league adjusted stat.
Trout is just that damn good.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 3:52 pm to The Seaward
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highest wRC+
Base running definitely helps.
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But either way, Trout is just remarkable.
No doubt.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 4:04 pm to The Seaward
Interesting.
Well it was there before.
Well it was there before.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 4:39 pm to The Seaward
Mike Trout is a shining example of why I distrust WAR. The defensive component is simply wrong.
Last year: 2.1
This year: -1.4
The gap in Trout's performance from this year to last is 3.5 wins? He suddenly went from the best defensive outfielder in history to one of the worst? The defensive component of WAR is so unreliable it is completely worthless, and downright misleading.
But yes, Trout has been awesome in his first two seasons. The only problem for him is that Miggy has been awesome-er at the plate. But he's having a historically great start to his career.
Last year: 2.1
This year: -1.4
The gap in Trout's performance from this year to last is 3.5 wins? He suddenly went from the best defensive outfielder in history to one of the worst? The defensive component of WAR is so unreliable it is completely worthless, and downright misleading.
But yes, Trout has been awesome in his first two seasons. The only problem for him is that Miggy has been awesome-er at the plate. But he's having a historically great start to his career.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 4:44 pm to The Seaward
Kid is the real deal
Posted on 8/7/13 at 4:45 pm to OBUDan
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, but his defensive metrics are significantly worse.
How much does the switch to LF (for much of this year) have to do with this? I have no clue, but from watching him I don't think his defense has slipped all that much if at all.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 4:50 pm to DEANintheYAY
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but from watching him I don't think his defense has slipped all that much if at all.
that's sort of my point. And a position change should not be worth 3.5 wins, which is HUGE.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 4:50 pm to DEANintheYAY
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How much does the switch to LF (for much of this year) have to do with this?
I'd guess a lot.
He hasn't had as many wow factor plays this year, either, as Jonah Keri pointed out.
But I'm pretty much with Baloo on this, the numbers are just stupid. Any good statistician would throw out defensive metrics because the numbers profile so wildly different from year to year that it seems hardly reliable.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 4:52 pm to Baloo
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Mike Trout is a shining example of why I distrust WAR. The defensive component is simply wrong.
Last year: 2.1 This year: -1.4
Fangraphs, which uses UZR, had him worth 1.3 wins last year on D, and basically neutral this year. I agree that defense metrics are far from perfect and a shining example of why you can't just use WAR in a vacuum. I do think WAR is the best stat to start player comparisons with and then make adjustments from there though.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 4:54 pm to The Seaward
Mel Ott had 2060 plate appearances before his 22nd birthday. 
Ted Williams got on base 44% of the time in this early part of his career (48% overall).
Ted Williams got on base 44% of the time in this early part of his career (48% overall).
Posted on 8/7/13 at 4:55 pm to DEANintheYAY
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How much does the switch to LF (for much of this year) have to do with this?
The position change shouldn't have any difference on his fielding metrics being positive or negative.
One seasons worth of fielding data = 1/4 of batting data (or maybe 1/3 I can't really remember 100%). Either way it's a pretty small sample size. But the great fielders do usually end up at the top of the lists and the terrible ones usually end up on the bottom of the lists.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 4:57 pm to DEANintheYAY
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How much does the switch to LF (for much of this year) have to do with this?
I don't think it has much impact on your fielding scores unless you just happen to play one spot way worse than the other. There is a positional adjustment built into WAR that makes playing CF more valubale than LF. But I don't think that is built into the raw fielding numbers.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:09 pm to The Seaward
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I do think WAR is the best stat to start player comparisons with and then make adjustments from there though.
I think WAR is decent for a career valuation to give a rough idea of value, but that's about it. But unlike many of the new-fangled stats, it obscures rather than illuminates, which is why I dislike it so much.
Let's put it like this: I'm thinking of a player, and he currently has a 1.4 WAR. From that stat, what do we know about the player?
Nothing. We know nothing. That player could be almost anything. I far prefer the "slash stats" as it is easy to express yet also gives you a pretty good idea of a player in one snapshot. Same player:
273/372/437
Now, we at least have a picture of the player. BTW - it's Justin Smoak.
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