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LSUFreek
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Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?



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PG
Calderon DAL
Lin HOU
Conley MEM
Holiday NOP
Parker SAS

SG
Ellis DAL
Harden HOU
Allen MEM
Gordon NOP
Green SAS

SF
Marion DAL
Parsons HOU
Prince MEM
Evans NOP
Leonard SAS

PF
Norwitski DAL
Asik HOU
Randolph MEM
Davis NOP
Duncan SAS

C
Dalembert DAL
Howard HOU
Gasol MEM
Smith NOP
Splitter SAS







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drake20
New Orleans Saints Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
10863 posts

re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


Parker
Holiday
Conley
Calderon
Lin

Harden
Ellis
Gordon
Allen
Green

Leonard
Parsons
Evans
Marion
Prince

Davis
Duncan
Randolph
Nowitzki
Asik

Gasol
Howard
Splitter
Smith
Dalembert






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imAMAZING
Member since Sep 2008
4030 posts

re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


PG :
Parker
Holliday
Conley
Lin
Calderon

SG :
Harden
Gordon
Ellis
Green
Allen

SF :
Leonard
Parsons
Evans
Prince
Marion

PF :
Duncan
Dirk
Davis
Randolph
Asik

C :
Howard
Gasol
Splitter
Smith
Dalembert






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BobBarker
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re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


PG
1.Parker
2.Holiday
3.Conley
4.Lin
5.Calderon

SG
1.Harden
2.EG.
3.Allen
4.Green
5.Ellis

SF
1.Leonard
2.Parsons
3.Evans
4.Prince
5.Marion

PF
1.Duncan
2.Norwitski
3.ZBo
4.Davis (he'll be second by the end of the season)
5.Asik

C
1.Howard
2.Gasol
3.Smith
4.Dalembert
5.Splitter.

Side Note; Dallas is going to be fricking terrible this year.






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corndeaux
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Member since Sep 2009
5528 posts

re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


PG:
Parker
Conley
Holiday- Conley gets the nod due to really great offense after the Gay trade
Calderon
Lin

SG:
Harden
Gordon
Green
Ellis/Allen - one all offense, the other all defense

SF:
Leonard
Parsons
Evans - tough to rate as SF. Great, versatile talent
Marion
Prince

PF:
Duncan
Dirk
Davis- closer to the top than 3rd suggests
Randolph
Asik

C:
Howard- think he's healthy and reclaims his top spot
Gasol
Splitter
Smiht
Dalembert






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TotesMcGotes
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re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


quote:

Davis
Duncan
Randolph
Nowitzki







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Cap Crunch
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re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


quote:

Norwitski DAL
Asik HOU
Randolph MEM
Davis NOP
Duncan SAS

That has to be the toughest division when it comes to PFs.






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GynoSandberg
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Member since Jan 2006
36691 posts

re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


Leonard is better than Parsons?


Raise your hand if you only watched the playoffs






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Macintosh504
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Member since Sep 2011
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re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


quote:

PG
Parker SAS
Holiday NO
Conley MEM
Calderon Dal
Lin Hou

SG
Harden HOU
Allen MEM
Ellis Dal
Gordon NOP
Green SAS


SF
Leonard SaS
Parsons HOU
Evans NOP
Prince Mem
Marion Dal

PF
Duncan
Randolph
Norwitski
Davis
Asik

C
Gasol
Howard
Splitter
Smith
Dalembert







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Macintosh504
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re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


quote:

Leonard is better than Parsons?

yeah the only reason I put him ahead of parsons is because of his defense.






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LSUFreek
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Member since Jan 2007
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re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


I'm gonna do a composite at some point, which teams have the lowest point totals, if you add up the positions points of each team.

For example, BobBarker has:

SAS= 12 pts
HOU= 13 pts
PELs=14 pts
MEM= 15 pts
DAL= 19 pts

So he thinks we have the 3rd best set of starters in our Division, but adds with Davis' progression we could end up #2.

Going to Tipitina's right now. If anyone wants to add 'em up, feel free. Or just add up your own, so I can peak in while the band is playing.



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GynoSandberg
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re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


Yeah. Someone mentioned him playing good defense on Lebron in the finals and now he's a defensive stopper.

Parsons is a good defender.






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brmark70816
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Baton Rouge, La
Member since Feb 2011
2036 posts

re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


Parker
Holiday
Conley
Calderon
Beverly (Lin will be the back-up)

Harden
Ellis
Gordon
Allen
Green (Manu would be 4th)

Leonard (going to be an all-star this year)
Parsons
Marion
Prince
Aminu (Evans would be 3rd)

Davis
Dirk
Randolph
Duncan
Asik

Gasol
Howard
Splitter
Smith
Dalembert






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corndeaux
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Member since Sep 2009
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re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


quote:

Leonard is better than Parsons?


Leonard is a better rebounder, better defender, more versatile, and is as good a shooter. The only thing Parsons does better is create.

Leonard is a lesser version of Paul George. Parsons is a lesser version of Glen Rice. I'll take the Paul George model every single time.






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ShamelessPel
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Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
2857 posts

re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


quote:

imAMAZING


Thank you, I pretty much agree with where you put each Hornet on this list.






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GynoSandberg
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Member since Jan 2006
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re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


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Leonard is a better rebounder, better defender, more versatile, and is as good a shooter. The only thing Parsons does better is create. Leonard is a lesser version of Paul George. Parsons is a lesser version of Glen Rice. I'll take the Paul George model every single time.


Wut

All Parsons does better is create? Lol. What games are you watching?

Parsons is probably the closest thing to Paul George in the NBA. He is a good defender with a diverse offensive game.

NBA loves to sensationalize players in the playoffs. No one even knew who Leonard was in tbe regular season. People got the idea he was shutting down LBJ (who almost averaged a triple double in the finals lol) and all of a sudden he is some legit force. i call that the Tayshaun Prince treatment. Dude landed $10m a year based on "playoff defense". If Leonard played in Philly he'd be Thaddeus Young with a 3 point shot.

Parsons is the 2nd best player on his team and is asked to do way more. Look at his win shares. And if you want to glorify a guy for 1 or 2 good playoff games, Parsons averaged 18/7/4 with 3 3s per game. Eerily similar to... Paul George






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corndeaux
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Member since Sep 2009
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re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


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All Parsons does better is create? 


Yep. Leonard is a better rebounder. Tougher to quantify defense, but I think most would agree he is a better defender. Their shooting %s (basic and advanced) are roughly the same. Their USG rates are roughly the same. Parsons has double the AST %.


quote:

He is a good defender with a diverse offensive game. 


Good is generous for Parsons. And how can you not say the same thing about Leonard?

quote:

No one even knew who Leonard was in tbe regular season. 


Bull shite. The only one talking about his playoffs is you.

quote:

Look at his win shares


Parsons played in 20 more games than Leonard. Of course his Win Shares are higher. Look at WS/48. Leonard is 30% higher

quote:

If Leonard played in Philly he'd be Thaddeus Young with a 3 point shot. 


Lulz. My turn to ask what games are you watching. And Parsons hasnt benefitted from playing in a system that fits him perfectly?

quote:

Parsons is the 2nd best player on his team and is asked to do way more. 


2nd best player on an 8 seed v 3rd best player on a 2. Again Parsons and Leonard have roughly the same USG rate, so way more is just not true.

Both guys are good players. I'd rather take Leonard's superior defense and size.

Considering you argued at the beginning of last season that Aminu was better than Parsons, you've had quite the shift on him. And I appreciate how you think and continue to think about these things.






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hendersonshands
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re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


quote:

No one even knew who Leonard was in tbe regular season.



wut?






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GynoSandberg
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Jan 2006
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re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


quote:

Considering you argued at the beginning of last season that Aminu was better than Parsons, you've had quite the shift on him.


I did? I think Aminu is one of the worst players in the league. If you can quote me on that ill never post on this board again.

HH, pretty simple. No one was talking about Leonard in the regular season. He is a product of the spotlight.

Just like Steph Curry was being called the best player in the league during his run.

Like Paul George was a "superstar" while the Pacers were contending.

Roy Hibbert was a top 5 center.

The media is famous for sensationalizing the players who are performing at that point in time. Leonard is good. People are acting like he's great.






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THRILLHO
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
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Member since Apr 2006
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re: Where do you rank the starters in the Southwest?


PG
Parker SAS
Conley MEM
Holiday NOP
Lin HOU
Calderon DAL

Tough call between Holiday and Conley. I'll give Conley the benefit of the doubt, the surrounding talent difference between Memphis and Philly were significant. Holiday will be #2 at the end of the year.

SG
Harden HOU
Gordon NOP
Ellis DAL
Allen MEM
Green SAS

All on EG's health.

SF
Parsons HOU
Leonard SAS
Marion DAL
Prince MEM
Aminu NOP

Replaced Evans with Aminu. Evans won't start at SF. No guarantee that he finishes there either.


PF
Duncan SAS
Norwitski DAL
Davis NOP
Randolph MEM
Motiejunas HOU

Replaced Asik with Motie. No idea who starts at PF for Houston, but it won't be Asik. Really tough ranking the top 4. Randolph could very well be better than Davis next season, but I could see Duncan/Dirk/Davis going any order giveh the age of the former two, plus having no idea how big of a leap Davis will make. It's obviously not the end all stat, but AD finished 4th in PER among PF's, behind Duncan but ahead of Dirk/ZBo.



C
Gasol MEM
Howard HOU
Splitter SAS
Dalembert DAL
Smith NOP

For funzies, top 5 bench players:
Evans
Ryno
Asik
Koufos
Ginobili (ranked so low because I have no idea how badly he'll fall off, but was obviously terrible in the playoffs)




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