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SI article on current MLB players who could make HOF by position

Posted on 7/26/13 at 4:56 pm
Posted by CunningLinguist
Dallas, TX
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 4:56 pm
Pretty decent article. I never really thought of Joe Mauer as having a strong HOF case til now.

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From article:
C Joe Mauer
1B Pujols
2B Utley
3B Beltre/Cabrera
SS Jeter
CF Carlos Beltran
LF: none
RF: Ichiro
SP: Halladay
BP: Riviera


Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 5:02 pm to
Beltre is gonna get killed by the new era of 3rd basemen much like Trammel got killed by the new generation of shortstops who dominated the game after he retired. The baseline is going to change on him. Cabrera is putting together a Hall of Fame career, but Machado is just starting his career. David Wright is the best Mets player in generation. Ryan Zimmerman would have gone down as the best National ever if Harper didn't show up. Longoria is a star in Tampa. Clearly, not all of those guys are going to the Hall, but they are changing how we think of 3rd basemen. I think Beltre will have some serious trouble unless the Rangers win the World Series.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 5:04 pm to
I've been on Beltre's sneaky hall campaign for a while.

I know Mauer has a nice resume, but he would be the least sexy HoF player ever, it seems. A singles/doubles hitter that plays catcher. Yay.

ETA: Beltran should definitely get in.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 5:05 pm
Posted by Mitchell613
Lyon, France
Member since May 2008
890 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 5:06 pm to
Mauer has a higher 7-year peak than the average HOF catcher and is 9 WAR away from the average HOF catcher total.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 5:07 pm to
Belter would be the most interesting one here
He has 368 home runs and 2300 hits along with several poor seasons in Seattle and 1 great season with Dodgers. He has been the best 3B (or one of) since his year with the Red Sox and since with Rangers. 34 years old so can he put up another couple of seasons like past few?
Posted by Mitchell613
Lyon, France
Member since May 2008
890 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 5:10 pm to
And he's been the best defensive 3B in baseball for a decade.

He's got the 9th most WAR of any 3B ever and will probably finish his career right around Brooks Robinson.
Posted by Bama Bird
Member since Dec 2011
Member since Mar 2013
19005 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 5:11 pm to
Verlander?
Posted by emmanuellewis
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2009
3266 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 5:36 pm to
quote:

I've been on Beltre's sneaky hall campaign for a while.


+1. He is the guy no one talks about that I think has a great case. You never know when a guy will lose it but his numbers right now are impressive. Scott Rolen will not get in but will get support and Beltre's numbers are much better than his. Throw in that he is also a great defensive player and I think he'll get in. He is young enough to put up a few more good seasons and continue to accumulate stats. It is very likely he hits 400 hrs and 2500 hits even if he were to fall off a cliff (production wise, not literally) today.
Posted by smash williams
San Diego
Member since Apr 2009
19739 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 5:53 pm to
I still believe Torii has a chance.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
31059 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:21 pm to
Mauer gets on base as well as anyone. Just because he only one season with 28 and his second highest is 13 does not mean he is not HOF quality. It was looking a little shaky when he was injured a lot for a bit there, but he is a generational and should be up for consideration.
Posted by okietiger
Chelsea F.C. Fan
Member since Oct 2005
40960 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:27 pm to
Tim Hudson, no chance for the Hall?

I believe 200 wins is going to be the "New 300" with the way starters are managed and bullpens are used.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41142 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:35 pm to
Buster Posey is off to a great start, when you consider he missed 2011-
ROY 2010, MVP 2012,Batting Title 2012, 2 Rings(2010& '12)
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
52720 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:36 pm to
Does Utley have the longevity to get in? No doubt the best hitting 2B of this generation and he was great in the field. Great power and very efficient base stealer. From 2005 to 2009 he OPS'd .922. But he hasn't played more than 115 games since then and he has just 1300 career hits. No MVPs to help his cause.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
31059 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:38 pm to
Two of his teammates won MVP's, and I thought Utley was the best player on the team.

He looks great so far this season.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41142 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:45 pm to
Utley's numbers look a lot like Brandon Phillips, he just 3 years older and has 3 less gold gloves. And I've never considered Phillips HOF material.

CU .287/212/775 1352 hits 128 stolen bases
BP .272/160/682 1349 hits 156 stolen bases
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
13454 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:53 pm to
The defensive metrics really overrate Utley's defense, inflating his WAR/JAWS. His counting stats aren't anywhere near where they need to be for him to get into the HOF.

David Wright has just as good of a resume right now (minus the ring) and he's four years younger than Utley. Utley has a long way to go.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 7:25 pm
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 7:38 pm to
All this JAWS and WAR shite is retarded. Lets talk batting average, HRs and RBIs not this geek stuff.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 7:40 pm to
quote:

Tim Hudson, no chance for the Hall? I believe 200 wins is going to be the "New 300" with the way starters are managed and bullpens are used.


Dorks don't care about wins and loses for pitchers!
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 7:41 pm
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
13454 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 7:42 pm to
That's because the Hall is for individual players and wins is a team stat.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 7:43 pm
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:01 pm to
quote:

That's because the Hall is for individual players and wins is a team stat.


Meh. For the vast majority of baseball history pitchers, at least starters, were judged on ERA, Ks and how many wins and losses they had. IMO HOF caliber starting pitchers should have a shitload of wins. Things have changed a little now that pitchers come out earlier but I still think a pitcher blaming a loss on his team is a cop out unless his team scores less than 2 runs. I guess I am old school but I like traditional stats better than this new crap!
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