re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOF

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Take George Brett out. He corked his bat.


Pine tar.

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Still cheating, and according to ballstaster, all cheaters should be banned from the HOF.

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You're arguments are fricking terrible.

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I'm not even making an argument. That players cheated isn't an argument--it's a fact that we all know. That baseball writers will refrain from voting for players who cheated isn't an argument--it's an inevitability we all know exists. That this cause & effect sequence makes sense isn't an argument--it's a fact we all know to be true. We may all not like it, but whether or we like it isn't the issue.

Many cheated, and many won't be in the Hall of Fame because they cheated. What's to bitch about?

Until you remove all cheaters from the HOF, then it's foolish to select one sort of cheating and single in on it.

I bet Ozzie Smith was on something, doing all those crazy flips.

I don't see anyone questioning whether or not its going to happen. Everyone is pointing out the blatant stupidity behind the reasoning.

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Cocaine. Go look at his nose.

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I Lol'd. Very nice.

Horrendous analogy

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And that's exactly why the HOF is such a fraud. Only excluding cheaters after a certain point because you didn't give a shite about cheating or couldn't test for it before that point makes a HOF achievement almost entirely null in my eyes.

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This. To keep especially Bonds out is a joke.

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And that's exactly why the HOF is such a fraud. Only excluding cheaters after a certain point because you didn't give a shite about cheating or couldn't test for it before that point makes a HOF achievement almost entirely null in my eyes.

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So if you have a vote, vote for whoever you want for whatever reasons you want.

But it isn't stupid, and calling it hypocritical (which I don't believe you did--I'm just illustrating my point that is too intelligent for anyone in this thread to understand :troll: ) assumes that there are current writers who are taking a hard line against 'roids and who have knowingly voted for known cheaters in the past while knowing that they had cheated. Which writers have done so? If you can't name any, then you can't call it hypocritical. Hank Aaron was inducted before Tom Verducci had a vote. The old-timers who were already in have virtually nothing to do with today's voters, so calling today's voters hypocritical is a misuse of the word hypocritical. Taking known cheaters out of the HOF is an entirely different and way more complicated issue for which I have no good answer.

But if there's a guy on your ballot and you know that he cheated, and you don't vote for him, that's perfectly reasonable no matter who else is in the Hall.