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re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by 504Voodoo on 7/24/13 at 3:27 pm to craigbiggio
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Jeff Bagwell are made to suffer thanks to those roid freaks
Not sure if serious
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by lsu777 on 7/24/13 at 3:28 pm to ballscaster
What about all the old fricks using amphetamines? Why are mantle and aaron ok but others not? frick that. Cheating has been going on since the dawn of the game. Cheating is cheating.
Take out all the speed users and i will agree
Take out all the speed users and i will agree
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by Louie T on 7/24/13 at 3:29 pm to goldennugget
The baseball HOF was already a huge crock of shite, and it is rapidly becoming even more of a joke.
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by ballscaster on 7/24/13 at 3:31 pm to Baloo
quote:You could be more accurate and call it rule-following instead of using that buzz phrase used to portray those who would rather players not cheat as phony and morally outraged. The issue isn't whether or not baseball players who cheat are bad people; the issue is whether or not baseball players who cheat cheat. It's cheating. Move it aside and let's watch real players who don't cheat.
phony moral outrage
quote:Just like the idea of me standing on stilts and not being acknowledged as the tallest man on earth is absurd. (borrowed from Costas)
But the idea that the best hitter and pitcher of the past half century are both eligible but not in the Hall is absurd (Clemens and Bonds).
quote:Not the issue. If those who decide who gets in the Hall want to not vote for people because they cheated, then that's that. If those who decide who gets in the Hall want to not vote for people because they think they cheated, then that's that.
We are reaching a point where the players left out of the Hall are far superior to those getting elected.
Even the players who didn't cheat benefitted from the deals crafted by a players union who protected cheaters. This is their own doing, and the consequences will be that many of them won't go to the Hall of Fame. It makes perfect sense whether you want to pretend that it's phony moral outrage or not.
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by ballscaster on 7/24/13 at 3:32 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:Things that are illegal: cheating.
What line do you draw?
Things that are legal: not cheating.
quote:HOF > Bonds and Clemens
Also, it is bull shite to keep guys like Bonds and Clemens out. If they are out, you may as well just shut down the HOF.
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by Vicks Kennel Club on 7/24/13 at 3:33 pm to Louie T
Lou, we should make a real HOF with Pete Rose, Joe Jackson, any left out Negro Leaguers, steroid users, and any other gipped players.
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by ballscaster on 7/24/13 at 3:33 pm to lsu777
quote:Different situation since they're already in. I don't know the answer to this one (I also do not know what was legal and illegal 60 years ago and who did illegal things).
What about all the old fricks using amphetamines? Why are mantle and aaron ok but others not? frick that. Cheating has been going on since the dawn of the game. Cheating is cheating.
Take out all the speed users and i will agree
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by Vicks Kennel Club on 7/24/13 at 3:35 pm to ballscaster
A lot of these players you are bitching about were taking "illegal" supplements, but the league did not punish them for failing a test. That is fully the fault of MLB, not the players.
Bonds > HOF. He literally defeated baseball from 2001-2004.
Bonds > HOF. He literally defeated baseball from 2001-2004.
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by LasVegasTiger on 7/24/13 at 3:36 pm to ballscaster
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HOF > Bonds and Clemens
Bonds should be in HOF no questions.
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by Vicks Kennel Club on 7/24/13 at 3:37 pm to ballscaster
They took illegal drugs and knew it. Pull them out of the Hall if you do not want the steroid era players in. You are hypocritical otherwise.
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re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by sms151t on 7/24/13 at 3:37 pm to ballscaster
The HOF is a museum nothing more nothing less. To say its bigger than the people that played is dumb. It's purpose is to tell the story of the game, not selectively decide what story to tell.
That is how I see it.
And I don't have to prove anything to you. The information is out there it's been linked numerous times on this site.
That is how I see it.
And I don't have to prove anything to you. The information is out there it's been linked numerous times on this site.
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by Sophandros on 7/24/13 at 3:39 pm to ballscaster
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The issue is cheating. When doing something is against the rules, and then you do that thing to gain an advantage, you are cheating.
Take George Brett out. He corked his bat. That's cheating.
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by lsu777 on 7/24/13 at 3:39 pm to ballscaster
If legality is the issue then why let weed users in? And most got it from a doctor so not illegal so stop with the stupid shite.
Just admit you are ok with the old guys using speed everyday but not those that used juice. Both peds and both illegal at the time, except one came from the doctor which makes it legal.
So i ask again why are some allowed while others or not?
Why or pain killers and pain numbing shots or cortico steroid shots ok but not test? All come from the doctor, all are peds, and all are illegal if not from a doctor, whatsthe difference?
Just admit you are ok with the old guys using speed everyday but not those that used juice. Both peds and both illegal at the time, except one came from the doctor which makes it legal.
So i ask again why are some allowed while others or not?
Why or pain killers and pain numbing shots or cortico steroid shots ok but not test? All come from the doctor, all are peds, and all are illegal if not from a doctor, whatsthe difference?
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by ballscaster on 7/24/13 at 3:41 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:MLB doesn't vote on who gets in the Hall. It is perfectly reasonable for a baseball writer to refrain from voting into the Hall a player who used illegal drugs to gain a competitive edge even if there are players in the Hall of Fame who knowingly did so.
A lot of these players you are bitching about were taking "illegal" supplements, but the league did not punish them for failing a test. That is fully the fault of MLB, not the players.
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by ballscaster on 7/24/13 at 3:41 pm to LasVegasTiger
quote:If he doesn't get the votes required, then he shouldn't.
Bonds should be in HOF no questions.
And he won't. And it's his own doing.
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by reddman on 7/24/13 at 3:42 pm to Sophandros
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Take George Brett out. He corked his bat.
Pine tar.
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by ballscaster on 7/24/13 at 3:42 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:^^^misuse of the word hypocritical
They took illegal drugs and knew it. Pull them out of the Hall if you do not want the steroid era players in. You are hypocritical otherwise.
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by ballscaster on 7/24/13 at 3:43 pm to sms151t
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It's purpose is to tell the story of the game, not the story of who bought the best drugs.
re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOFPosted by Louie T on 7/24/13 at 3:44 pm to ballscaster
You're arguments are fricking terrible. Joe Blow Human says this so that's that.
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