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moneyg
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Or, GZ could have notified the authorities and remained in his vehicle. Or GZ could have identified himself as neighborhood watch when he started following TM. Or he could have called out Hey Kid. Where are you heading?

Why is it up to TM to ask why he is being followed?

GZ was the only adult and as you pointed out also an actual authority figure. He handled his authority terribly. Hell even uniformed police officers in marked cruisers identify themselves verbally.



I think it is reasonable that TM would have acted exactly like GZ did. He could have called the police, and then followed GZ around keeping a safe distance, so that when the police arrived, he could point out the crazy guy who was following him. If that happened, TM would have done nothing wrong and he'd still be alive.






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Tactical1
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MoM suggested many were full of fighting and other negative examples of his true character .


If we are going to judge someone by their text messages, I am pretty sure we would all come across as unsavory individuals.






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oklahogjr
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I think it is reasonable that TM would have acted exactly like GZ did. He could have called the police, and then followed GZ around keeping a safe distance, so that when the police arrived, he could point out the crazy guy who was following him. If that happened, TM would have done nothing wrong and he'd still be alive.


yea a black dude calling the cops on a mexican. The police will sprint right over there i'm sure.








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Fox Mulder
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My recollection is fighting, stealing, and drugs.


What a crock of shite. He wasn't fighting. He beat the shite out of his teacher.






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Fox Mulder
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Don't be fooled by "gated" this was a average neighborhood





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ApexTiger
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I disagree tact...





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Green Chili Tiger
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What a crock of shite. He wasn't fighting. He beat the shite out of his teacher.


Link?






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TheDoc
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Neither was TM.


Until he assaulted Zimmerman






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Crimson1st
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Or, GZ could have notified the authorities and remained in his vehicle. Or GZ could have identified himself as neighborhood watch when he started following TM. Or he could have called out Hey Kid. Where are you heading?


Or, or, or...if, if, if...GZ was operating under the backdrop of recent crime in his neighborhood and the situation of a suspicious individual walking around the area at the time. Let me relate a recent incedent in my neighborhood.

Just the other night, I had this pushy white guy come trying to sell stuff in our neighborhood that has a no soliciting policy. He came to my house and was supposedly selling alarm systems. It was after 9pm. I felt the encounter rather odd honestly and he seemed to be asking some fishy questions. He was told by me that I wasn't interested several times until I had to get forceful. When he left, I called the police and tried to keep an eye on the guy from my yard. Fine and dandy, except he went straight to an elderly neighbor's house. If you think for a moment I wasn't behind his butt watching him and watching out for my neighbors, you are wrong. Darn right I followed him to watch out for my neighbors who may have been in imminent danger before the police could arrive. They likely couldn't handle him if he was a criminal, I could physically take him though. To further compound the situation, as I was in my yard I noticed my sister in law was leaving her house(two down from mine) to go to another neighbor's house and was unaware of the guy. He might have accosted her, again before the police could even arrive. How the Hades was I supposed to know at the time what this suspicious guy was capable of? I felt it a duty to watch my neighbors' house(s) AND watch out for my sister in law. If YOU feel it was prudent to wait on the police in that situation, fine...not me. I was every bit in the right for watching this guy because others less capable of defending themselves' safety was potentially in jeopardy.

Now with that said, are you going to stick with the notion that following someone suspicious in YOUR neighborhood is always a bad idea and wrong when there are other mitigating circumstances involved? If your answer is "no", then you had better be prepared to cut GZ some slack yo!



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Fox Mulder
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There is no link. I just happen to know this.





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USMCTiger03
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If we are going to judge someone by their text messages, I am pretty sure we would all come across as unsavory individuals.

Speak for yourself.






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Crimson1st
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There is no link. I just happen to know this.


Damn! Wish you could feed us some more detail scraps...






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Vegas Bengal
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Tthe story was that he beat up a bus driver (not a teacher) and they got that from this:

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'Yu ain't tell me yu swung on a bus driver,' a user Tweeted to Travyon's alleged account


I seriously doubt he beat up a bus driver and nothing happened.

Trayvon's phone had an app that protected his texts and tweets. Clearly he didn't want his parents knowing what he was texting and tweeting. But who knows if the texts and tweets BS boasting from kids?






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Vegas Bengal
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Or, or, or...if, if, if...GZ was operating under the backdrop of recent crime in his neighborhood and the situation of a suspicious individual walking around the area at the time. Let me relate a recent incedent in my neighborhood.



Calling is fine. Following him was not. That's not what NW folks are supposed to do.

It's not illegal but it's not what he was taught to do.






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onmymedicalgrind
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Probably some truth to that but those driven by agenda and not justice are the ones keeping this bus rolling. I don't know about you but I'm not going to idly sit by while people accuse me of racism concerning this incident when it's been proven it wasn't by local officials that investigated the incident.

Well then you are also part of the group of peoplr that is keeping "this bus rolling."






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Chimlim
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If Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason then none of this ever happens


If TM didn't escalate it, none of this ever happens.






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Crimson1st
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Calling is fine. Following him was not. That's not what NW folks are supposed to do.


Following him was fine too(and legal) if you think he may be committing a crime before the police can arrive. As in my situation, who said TM wouldn't have assaulted someone before the police could arrive? Oh wait, he DID! Let me re-phrase...who is to say he might not have jumped an elderly neighbor and robbed/brutalized them before the police could arrive?

Following might not be what NW watch people are trained to do but as a MAN, forget all about NW, I am going to protect others in harm's way if I am able and they need assistance.



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Tactical1
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If TM didn't escalate it, none of this ever happens.

Martin may have started the fight, but he is right, if he is not followed, it doesn't happen at all.







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Crimson1st
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if he is not followed


Martin had other options than to assault GZ. What is not sinking in?

What if a husband says something ugly to his wife. She has a guy friend she runs to because she is hurt and wants someone to talk to about what happened. The wife and her friend wind up sleeping with eachother. Was the husband at fault for his wife's infidelity? She had other options of dealing with the hurt feelings...



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Tactical1
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Did Martin have other option, sure, but he should have never been approached my Zimmerman in the first place.

I don't think it's really a matter of debate, if Zimmerman doesn't follow Martin, none of this happens at all. Could none of this have happened after Zimmerman followed Martin? possibly, if martin keeps his cool, but we can't forget that the whole confrontation starts with the act of leaving the car to follow someone who had not done anything.



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