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Chokes for waterfowl: Patterning my gun this weekend (UPDATED OP W/ RESULTS)
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:26 pm
What choke restriction do you use?
What brand?
On what gun?
Ammo do you shoot?
And have you patterned your gun with all of the above?
I'm getting ready to do a trial of choke tubes with various kinds of ammo and pattern them. Will calculate pattern % (pellets in 30" circle divided by the total # of pellets in shell) doing 3 shots for each combo (to get average since shots vary).
Performing per this website:
LINK
Will post results
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Alright, so this is Phase #1 of the results. I used Phase #1 to weed out the chokes I didn't like (and hopefully get my money back). So how did I do it?
Hung paper targets with a 30" circle. Shot each from about 35 yards away. I counted each pellet penetrated within the circle and then cut open a shell to count the pellets. Turns out the Kents and Black Clouds have about the same (154 vs 152). Calculated percentage using these numbers. Something interesting I noticed is that Black Clouds have these weird BBs mixed in. Darker in hue and look a lot different.
The exact specs of the Kents were the SilverSteels (my shells of choice): 3", 12ga, 1-1/4 load, 2" shot, 1480 fps
Black Cloud: 3" 12ga, 1-1/4 load, 2" shot, 1450 fps
What chokes did I use?
1. Kick High Flyer Modified (Ported)
2. Browning "Standard choke that came with gun" Modified (Flush with barrel)
3a. PatternMaster Extended range (ported)...used with Kents only
3b. PatternMaster Full choke Black Cloud (unported)...used with Black Clouds only
4. Carlson's Black Cloud Mid Range (Unported)
Alright, so the results?
My conclusions:
- Kents have a better pattern % than Black Clouds on average among all the various chokes
- Kicks had the best percentage with Kents but the worst percentage on average with Black Clouds.
- I'm going to keep the kicks and keep shooting Kents.
- I'm taking back the Carlson's (worst percentage on average with both loads)
- Also taking back Patternmaster. Not worth the money IMO.
I'm going to try this again with just the Kicks and Browning choke with Hevi-Metal and Remington loads another time.
Pic of best combination (kent + kicks)
What brand?
On what gun?
Ammo do you shoot?
And have you patterned your gun with all of the above?
I'm getting ready to do a trial of choke tubes with various kinds of ammo and pattern them. Will calculate pattern % (pellets in 30" circle divided by the total # of pellets in shell) doing 3 shots for each combo (to get average since shots vary).
Performing per this website:
LINK
Will post results
____________________________________________
Alright, so this is Phase #1 of the results. I used Phase #1 to weed out the chokes I didn't like (and hopefully get my money back). So how did I do it?
Hung paper targets with a 30" circle. Shot each from about 35 yards away. I counted each pellet penetrated within the circle and then cut open a shell to count the pellets. Turns out the Kents and Black Clouds have about the same (154 vs 152). Calculated percentage using these numbers. Something interesting I noticed is that Black Clouds have these weird BBs mixed in. Darker in hue and look a lot different.
The exact specs of the Kents were the SilverSteels (my shells of choice): 3", 12ga, 1-1/4 load, 2" shot, 1480 fps
Black Cloud: 3" 12ga, 1-1/4 load, 2" shot, 1450 fps
What chokes did I use?
1. Kick High Flyer Modified (Ported)
2. Browning "Standard choke that came with gun" Modified (Flush with barrel)
3a. PatternMaster Extended range (ported)...used with Kents only
3b. PatternMaster Full choke Black Cloud (unported)...used with Black Clouds only
4. Carlson's Black Cloud Mid Range (Unported)
Alright, so the results?
My conclusions:
- Kents have a better pattern % than Black Clouds on average among all the various chokes
- Kicks had the best percentage with Kents but the worst percentage on average with Black Clouds.
- I'm going to keep the kicks and keep shooting Kents.
- I'm taking back the Carlson's (worst percentage on average with both loads)
- Also taking back Patternmaster. Not worth the money IMO.
I'm going to try this again with just the Kicks and Browning choke with Hevi-Metal and Remington loads another time.
Pic of best combination (kent + kicks)
This post was edited on 7/28/13 at 3:03 pm
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Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:28 pm to TulaneUVA
i shoot a kicks high flyer xtra full at everything in SBEII
fiocchi golden waterfowl
fiocchi golden waterfowl
This post was edited on 7/17/13 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:28 pm to TulaneUVA
Modified
Kick's High Flyer
Benelli
Cheap shite---Kent or Remington
No
Kick's High Flyer
Benelli
Cheap shite---Kent or Remington
No
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:31 pm to PapaPogey
Shoot the Benelli factory choke either improved or modified
Shells are usually Kent, Federal or Winchester
3.5 inch. BB
Shells are usually Kent, Federal or Winchester
3.5 inch. BB
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:32 pm to bbvdd
I love the Kick's Modified
3.5 #3 shot Winchester Xpert Hi-velocity
3.5 #3 shot Winchester Xpert Hi-velocity
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:32 pm to TulaneUVA
I shoot a patternmaster with federal cheapo 3" #2 or 3
Extremely good patterns. Not worth $100 though.
I paid $65 for mine
It's an incredible buckshot choke, but not anything super special for steel.
Extremely good patterns. Not worth $100 though.
I paid $65 for mine
It's an incredible buckshot choke, but not anything super special for steel.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:33 pm to TulaneUVA
You're getting way too complicated for a shotgun my man.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:34 pm to Junky
I shoot a Carlson mod and what ever shells I happen to have. Thinking of getting a case of 3" #3 blackclouds though for this year.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:36 pm to Junky
quote:
You're getting way too complicated for a shotgun my man.
How else would you do it? Too many variables and most everyone is doing it...just maybe not as methodically or all at once.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:40 pm to TulaneUVA
I shoot factory Beretta modified at woodies and in the timber. Patternmaster Extra Full out in the field.
Gun: Beretta AL390
Ammo: Blindside #2,3,4. Kent SpeedSteel when I'm broke. Xpert T Shot for geese.
Gun: Beretta AL390
Ammo: Blindside #2,3,4. Kent SpeedSteel when I'm broke. Xpert T Shot for geese.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:40 pm to TulaneUVA
You're welcomed to borrow mine. I have a patternmaster and some kinda Carlson dead coyote buckshot choke for an 870
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:41 pm to TulaneUVA
Double Post
This post was edited on 7/17/13 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:43 pm to TulaneUVA
You shoot a Maxus correct?
This post was edited on 7/17/13 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:48 pm to TulaneUVA
Mid Range and Extended Range package
Hevi-Shot choke tubes
Benelli Vinci
mostly Hevi-metal 3" #3s
i patterned black cloud, hevi metal and kents last season and Hevi metal preformed best. i set up the targets at a "close" (30yd) and a "far" (45 or 50?yd) for the respective chokes.
i switched to the extended range choke ( .696) b/c specks started showing up later in the season and im pretty sure i missed less often with the extended range on ducks so it stayed in there.
let us know the results please
Hevi-Shot choke tubes
Benelli Vinci
mostly Hevi-metal 3" #3s
i patterned black cloud, hevi metal and kents last season and Hevi metal preformed best. i set up the targets at a "close" (30yd) and a "far" (45 or 50?yd) for the respective chokes.
i switched to the extended range choke ( .696) b/c specks started showing up later in the season and im pretty sure i missed less often with the extended range on ducks so it stayed in there.
let us know the results please
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:49 pm to PapaPogey
Yep
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:52 pm to TulaneUVA
Hell you can borrow my whole gun if you want. I've never had the motivation to pattern much of anything out of mine. Shot a federal #3 out of it, pattern was fantastic, that's what I use 
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:55 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Haha thanks downshift. I think I should stick to one gun as the control. After all this is the gun I hunt with 100% of the time
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:56 pm to TulaneUVA
quote:
After all this is the gun I hunt with 100% of the time
my apologies
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:57 pm to TulaneUVA
shite. Thought I was gonna get some free patterning outta this.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 10:01 pm to TulaneUVA
I'm not real sure to be honest.
Fiochhi golden pheasant, errrrrr I mean waterfowl.
Fiochhi golden pheasant, errrrrr I mean waterfowl.
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