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elprez00
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What if Trayvon Would Have Killed Zimmerman?



Just for the sake of argument.

Lets agree that everything happened as it did, except when Trayvon jumps GZ, he never takes out his gun, and Trayvon beats him to death. The cops show up and see Trayvon sitting on top of a bloodied and dead GZ.

Are we having a debate now as to whether Trayvon acted in self defense?







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ShoeBang
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we would have never heard about the case on a national scale.





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RTR America
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we would have never heard about the case on a national scale.







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beulahland
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Never would have heard about it. Not news worthy.





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JohnnyKilroy
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Probably not.

Assuming GZ would have been knocked unconscious before actually dying, it would be difficult to argue that he was continuing to defend himself after GZ was incapacitated.

Just like it would be difficult to argue GZ was acting in self defense if he shot him once in the chest, got up, and then shot him a few more times for good measure.






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RTR America
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Zimmerman would have never been referred to as a white hispanic





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CajunAngele
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We would not be discussing this at all. The same goes if it were a black on black crime. Even the Obama WH is stfu about this right now and wants to back-off from Obama commenting on an ongoing investigation before. (SEE: yesterday's Carney briefing) Obama and Sharpton started this race baiting garbage and politically influenced it. Period end of subject.

Ex-Sanford police chief: Zimmerman probe 'taken away from us' - CNN.com






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oklahogjr
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Didn't like 80 people get shot in chicago in one weekend? I don't think any of those cases will be anywhere near this big and now you're thinking a street fight case will go national?





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Ace Midnight
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Just for the sake of argument.


It was probably manslaughter, in that case. Even if Zimmerman said, "I'm going to kill you" and displayed the weapon, although, if that was proven, it might be tough to secure a conviction.

However, again, it didn't happen that way. No amount of alternative facts or assumptions is going to change the case we have. Two people, suspicious of each other - and I'll say it, probably because of preconceived notions about race - come together and 1 dies. I believe Zimmerman's general contention (not every little detail, but his general theory of the encounter - because it is supported by the evidence) that he noticed Martin, followed him and reported his actions. Police indicated they did not need him to do that. Martin noticed he was being followed - confronted Zimmerman, resulting in a fistic encounter. Martin clearly got the better of that and Zimmerman, in clear apprehension of receiving additional blows, chose to draw his weapon and fire as a last resort.

Based solely on those facts, Zimmerman should not bear criminal culpability. People with criminal intent do not normally communicate their actions to the authorities in real time. While I don't think the evidence is sufficient to establish that Martin was engaging in illegal activity (other than, perhaps, misdemeanor trespass, cutting across yards) up until the encounter, he chose to confront the "Creepy-ass cracker", rather than make a beeline to home and safety. He got killed for his troubles.

But not because he was black. Because instead of saying, "Hey man, you don't have to follow me. I stay right over there. If you have a problem, you can talk to my dad. Good evening" and walking straight home, he decided to fight. He chose poorly. Had he won the fight and killed Zimmerman, he would have been guilty of a crime. The evidence does not establish that Zimmerman is.

There are clear differences for anyone who cares to look at the actual case, versus your hypothetical one. Clear differences and justification for a different verdict.



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Brosef Stalin
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Would Obama's son still look like Trayvon?





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Homesick Tiger
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I'd just like to say thank you to the media and the WH for your input into this trial. Pre, current, and post trial rhetoric is appreciated.

You have provided job security for many law enforcement people for the next several days, weeks, months, who knows. The amount of overtime payed during this time is a fine example of the bang us taxpayers are getting for our bucks.

Of course if you had decided to just keep your mouths shut and let a court of law make the distinction of guilt or innocence, that would have been fine too - probably at a considerable amount of less money to the taxpayers. Enjoy the riots.






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elprez00
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There are clear differences for anyone who cares to look at the actual case, versus your hypothetical one. Clear differences and justification for a different verdict.

Oh, I know that Ace. That wasn't the point of my OP.

And good post, BTW.



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Rex
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Trayvon would have acquitted, because he would have said that he knew of Zimmerman's gun and that he was in fear of his life. I would have acquitted.

But we would never have heard about this case.






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CajunAngele
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Ace Midnight
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You have provided job security for many law enforcement people for the next several days, weeks, months, who knows. The amount of overtime payed during this time is a fine example of the bang us taxpayers are getting for our bucks.


This will also set gun control back another 20 or 30 years, as disarmed people in urban environments will be totally at the mercy of the rioters and authorities. Well armed, rural communities will not suffer significant problems.

And the wheel continues to turn.



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mahdragonz
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Say tm had the same head wounds as Zimmerman.

Do you think the police would have shown up, believe tray on killed Zimmerman in self defense and let him go completely?

Honestly?

The issue that caused such a spark with all of this was the fact tm was dead under suspicious circumstances and then police did nothing.






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CITWTT
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Not a thing would have occured outside of Orlando at all.





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90proofprofessional
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it wouldn't have been called this







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Ace Midnight
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Say tm had the same head wounds as Zimmerman.

Do you think the police would have shown up, believe tray on killed Zimmerman in self defense and let him go completely?


Yes. Martin would have had a stronger case, because Zimmerman was armed. Had he received significant injuries in the fight, there would have been more credibility in his alleged self-defense claim. He didn't, because Zimmerman wouldn't/couldn't hurt him in the fistic encounter. Ergo, one of the reasons I believe the armed man, with multiple injuries was justified in killing the obvious, albeit unarmed, aggressor in the fight.






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JohnnyKilroy
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The issue that caused such a spark with all of this was the fact tm was dead under suspicious circumstances and then police did nothing.



Except for interview George and other witnesses several times immediately following the event?






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