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TheLankiestLawyer
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That's great.

Do you think they care about having the moral high ground when something that drastic happens?

It would change the global balance of power. Do you think the federal government would sit back and let that happen just so they could have the moral imperative to try and force democracy in Timbuktu down the road?







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TheLankiestLawyer
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There would be the most powerful armada the world has ever seen stretching from the tip of Florida to Mexico.

Fine, you can have all the energy you want, but how are you getting it to market?

Not to mention the air superiority and how bad they would frick up the refineries and plants.

You guys need to get off the internet and get into the real world.






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drdoom
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But seriously, what is it the people that talk of secession want? a secure border, a national identity, lower taxes, fiscal conservatism, the opportunity to work.

That should be what all those yahoos we sent to washington should be doing for us already. Give me term limits, judicial review, and lower taxes and i would be happy..






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TrueTiger
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There would be the most powerful armada the world has ever seen stretching from the tip of Florida to Mexico.


Could be.

If the non seceding states share your warmongering attitude toward a
peaceful secession then whoever secedes definitely needs to take a few nukes with them to blunt this.






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mahdragonz
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The real power are the industries. I don't buy energy or scrimps from the government. I buy them from businesses. They can move freely across borders if they lobby politicians on both sides for it.

We have free trade with China for frick's sake.

Why wouldn't you cut taxes on O&G, anyway?


You think the US wouldn't penalize China for trading with a state that seceded from it?

Let's see...trade with texas or USA...which do you think china is going to pick?






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TheLankiestLawyer
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Why would there not be a warmongering attitude?

The US government owns all the military bases and military hardware in the states you are talking about seceding.

If you secede, you are essentially stealing their stuff.

Who wouldn't go to war over that? That's not even getting in to the resource and industry allocation and the reasons to maintain that status quo.

When is the last time there was a peaceful secession anywhere in the world? Just a voluntary disassociation without violence...



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TrueTiger
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If you secede, you are essentially stealing their stuff.

So, it would be wise to steal nukes and get at least one ballistic sub to mutiny to the secession side.

This way, the seceding territory can legitimately threaten to make New York or D.C. disappear. That would chill out the warmongering.

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When is the last time there was a peaceful secession anywhere in the world?

Kosovo, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia (all backed by the U.S.). No shots fired.






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TheLankiestLawyer
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We're so far down the rabbit hole.

I've got work to do.

Good luck with the secession.



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TrueTiger
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Good luck with the secession


Thanks. I'm not looking for one.

I just want to be able to discuss it as legitimate political option without people calling anyone who brings it up a lunatic.

In other words, I want to do for succession what gay rights people have done for same sex marriage.






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leRev
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That's great.

Do you think they care about having the moral high ground when something that drastic happens?

It would change the global balance of power. Do you think the federal government would sit back and let that happen just so they could have the moral imperative to try and force democracy in Timbuktu down the road?



I think they care what the American Public, Great Britain, Russia, China, Mexico, etc. think. It would have the potential to alienate said groups.

I don't think they would just let it happen. Unilateral secession is now impossible thanks to Lincoln. It would require the Fed Govt to allow the secession or it would require the seceded states to threaten military action. As of right now, those four states don't have the military to support a threat like that. They would need backing from other countries.






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Asgard Device
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Is industry ordering air strikes and a ground invasion?


Absolutely!






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GREENHEAD22
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The US government owns all the military bases and military hardware in the states you are talking about seceding.



Give them all there hardware back and pay them for the real estate/bases/property they are losing. Use your fricking heads. Also there would be major blow back from the remaining states for an unprovoked attack.






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mahdragonz
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Give them all there hardware back and pay them for the real estate/bases/property they are losing.


Why would they give up strategic location advantages to those bases?






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Asgard Device
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Fine, you can have all the energy you want, but how are you getting it to market? Not to mention the air superiority and how bad they would frick up the refineries and plants.


Why would corporate America blow up it's own refineries? When they invade other countries it's so they can set up shop in those countries. The nation of Texas won't own those refineries. Corporations will.







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bayoudude
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I don't see 1860's style secession ever happening in this country. However i could by into a scenario where the Fed collapses and several states decide to group and form their own countries. A soviet union style collapse is very possible in this country they way we are currently heading.





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GREENHEAD22
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I don't see 1860's style secession ever happening in this country. However i could by into a scenario where the Fed collapses and several states decide to group and form their own countries. A soviet union style collapse is very possible in this country they way we are currently heading.



Pretty much this.






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RCDfan1950
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Pretty much this.
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I don't see 1860's style secession ever happening in this country. However i could by into a scenario where the Fed collapses and several states decide to group and form their own countries. A soviet union style collapse is very possible in this country they way we are currently heading.


It is amusing to entertain Lank's predictions of the *United* States, and *they* would bring down the military (like in Syria, I reckon, where *the military* splits all over the place), and the talk of armadas, and blowin stuff up and such, if States/Regions/Individuals desire to be free from un-Constitutional, and the mob-rule government of Urban populations and what amounts to flat out tyranny.

People are who they are; their beliefs and actions form them and the circumstances in which they either prosper...or fail. The current scenario reflects the polarity of beliefs in regard to action that has formed circumstances that SUCK, in most Urban populations. The voters that put Obama and "spread the wealth arounders" in power. And the folk who have blew it, want them that are responsible, moral and free...to give up their freedom in order to BAIL THEM OUT. Simple as that. All goes in the Collective Kitty. All will be fine. Monty Python IRL.

If there is any shooting, in a breakdown, it will be along the order of that down there on the bridge between the West Bank and the City during Katrina when the local authorities met the looters with a line that they could not cross. Just like in Syria. Territorial lines based on people's beliefs and CHARACTER. That is what unifies and defines Communities, Cities, States and Nations.

And there won't be any military action if States nullify law - JUST LIKE OBAMA does - and pick and choose whether they smoke grass or collect and send tax money to that den-full-of-thieves Washington. Hell....like the House of Reps won't even be in the game. Obama will just order that "armada" down there in Texas, and the soldiers will hop to slicing and dicin their FAMILIES. With the lights out in the White House and New York City.

This board always goes off the rationality wheels sooner or later. And the Libs blame and mock the Right...and then head out the door. It's hard running into the wind.







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JEAUXBLEAUX
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Vice la Louisiane libre





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deltaland
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TX,LA,OK,AR would be a powerhouse.


Lots of oil money and fortune 500 companies in those states. Kick out the leeches of society and these states would prosper greatly.


I don't think secession will happen..mostly because even in some blue states there are people who are sick of this crap. The working, patriotic class needs to come together and force a change.

I like what Colorado is doing...stay in the Union but tell the urban centers who we foot the bill for to frick off and let them wallow in their own filth. This will possibly lead to violence, as they will be pissed when their freebies have no more funding.

I can see a class warfare or revolution much easier than states seceding.






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deltaland
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If the the shite hit the fan, you would feel the entire meaty dick of the United Staes military come down on you.


You forget many of the Military are from these same areas that have "talks" of secession. They wouldn't fight against their own family.

People think of the military as this huge entity with no opinions or feeling of their own. Fact is, a majority of them hate what our current Administration is doing. Many of them would desert to back up their home states and the Constitution they swore to defend. And don't forget how many military bases are located in red states.






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