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Do college coaches lose their edge after a few years?
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:36 am
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:36 am
We all understand that college football is cyclical depending on each state's crop of recruits, head coach/assistant migrations and program momentum. But when a new head coach is hired and begins his tenure, is his drive and ambition at its peak ? When each of us starts a new job aren't we extra motivated to make ourselves indispensable as soon as possible? for job security purposes? What happens after we have accomplished job security? Has Miles become complacent and lost his edge or was he in over his head when he was hired and still is?
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Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:37 am to MarlinMan
Not Saban... BAM!
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:38 am to MarlinMan
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Has Miles become complacent and lost his edge or was he in over his head when he was hired and still is?
You never stop, do you?
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:38 am to MarlinMan
I'm sure some do. However, a good coach is a competitor, and is willing do what it takes to put forth the best product each year.
My opinion is that the ones that seem to lose their edge are the ones that can't evolve with the game.
My opinion is that the ones that seem to lose their edge are the ones that can't evolve with the game.
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:39 am to MarlinMan
I believe in miles' case, he is under constant scrutiny from the fan base so he doesn't have the option to become complaicent.
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:39 am to MarlinMan
I am sure there are exceptions, but most people in an executive capacity continue to give 100% even after job security is obtained. They are just wired that way. They may have a down year, but the drive to be on top will get the motor running again.
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:43 am to MarlinMan
I think somewhere between 10 and 15 years is the most you want a coach to stay in one job anymore. The 2 best examples are Texas and Oklahome. both Brown and Stoops have had a lot of success but the programs have slipped. New blood could do both good.
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:45 am to PacWilly
excellent point... competition is what they live for...ie. Saban, Meyer, Muschamp, maybe Kelly...maybe Miles
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:45 am to MarlinMan
MILES HAS LOST HIS EDGE!!!111!1!
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:45 am to lsuhunt555
Miles never had an edge to lose!!
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:48 am to H-Town Tiger
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I think somewhere between 10 and 15 years is the most you want a coach to stay in one job anymore. The 2 best examples are Texas and Oklahome. both Brown and Stoops have had a lot of success but the programs have slipped. New blood could do both good.
I agree. It depends on the coach. Phat Phil, Bobby Bowden, Paterno, etc. did not have the staying power.
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:49 am to MarlinMan
Spurrier? Saban? Bear Bryant? Paterno? Woody Hayes? etc
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:51 am to MarlinMan
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Has Miles become complacent and lost his edge or was he in over his head when he was hired and still is?
Undefeated regular season and SEC champs 2 seasons ago. Possibly one blown defensive series from another championship run last season and you think he's lost his edge? Or is in over his head? Seriously? Or do you have another agenda?
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:52 am to MarlinMan
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It depends on the coach. Phat Phil, Bobby Bowden, Paterno, etc. did not have the staying power
Bowden and Paterno were from a different era and both had great success long after 10-15 years. They both stayed too long however both were over 80 at the end and after 80 is way past time to go.
Fulmer is another good example.
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:52 am to MarlinMan
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Has Miles become complacent and lost his edge or was he in over his head when he was hired and still is?
What lead you to this conclusion? 10 wins per year?
Can't win 'em all
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:54 am to MarlinMan
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I agree. It depends on the coach. Phat Phil, Bobby Bowden, Paterno, etc. did not have the staying power.
I think there is a point where these coaches stay so long that they become legendary. However, they eventually began to no longer succeed at a high level.
Perhaps they stick to their guns to a fault, or are no longer able to bond with the young players.
These kinds of guys need to learn from Skip, and fall back into an administrative role. Be an ambassador for the school and program that you helped build.
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:55 am to pabgolf
Miles was in over his head from the beginning (ASU and Tenn games in '05), but he fought through it and had a great team in '06 and '07 (with Saban's recruits and Jimbo Fisher/Bo Pellini) but still managed to lose 2 games each of those years.
The 2011 season was truly remarkable with great talent and impressive wins during a tough schedule..but he still blew in the last (and most important game).
Of greater concern is that he has not "gambled" or taken as many risks as he did in previous years which was his "edge". It seems like the last 2 years he has played more conservatively and not to lose....
The 2011 season was truly remarkable with great talent and impressive wins during a tough schedule..but he still blew in the last (and most important game).
Of greater concern is that he has not "gambled" or taken as many risks as he did in previous years which was his "edge". It seems like the last 2 years he has played more conservatively and not to lose....
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:57 am to MarlinMan
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Of greater concern is that he has not "gambled" or taken as many risks as he did in previous years which was his "edge". It seems like the last 2 years he has played more conservatively and not to lose....
Did you not see the failed fake attempt vs Bama last year?
He is only celebrated as a great gambler when it works.
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:57 am to MarlinMan
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Has Miles become complacent and lost his edge or was he in over his head when he was hired and still is?
Wow, this is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted. I don't care who recruited the players, you do not win a NC if you are "in over your head". Derek Dooley was in over his head. Gerry Faust was in over his head.
As for losing his edge, the opposite seems to be the case. They are recruiter better and have expanded to recruit nationally. He's made changes to the staff to improve, maybe not as fast as some fans, who after all are usually extremely patient :rolleys: but he has made them to improve the team. That's hardly someone that has lost his edge.
Posted on 7/8/13 at 9:58 am to geauxjo
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Or do you have another agenda?
no agenda dude. its a discussion...either discuss or leave.
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