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Thoughts on Casillas
Posted on 6/30/13 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 6/30/13 at 7:30 pm
I consider Iker Casillas to be highly overrated and I'm not just saying this because he had a mediocre game today. He has been selected to the World XI five years in a row but is still fighting for the starting job on his own club team. His advantages are that he's a good leader and doesn't make stupid mistakes, but I feel like there are a dozen keepers in the world who are better at stopping difficult shots. I can't find any good save % stats, but my guess is that he would be well below Buffon, Neuer, and others. He is one of those athletes who has always been surrounded by talent and probably wouldn't receive the same recognition if he played for weaker teams.
This post was edited on 6/30/13 at 7:31 pm
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Posted on 6/30/13 at 7:31 pm to NOTORlOUSD
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I feel like there are a dozen keepers in the world who are better at stopping difficult shots
Wow.
Posted on 6/30/13 at 7:32 pm to NOTORlOUSD
I believe he topped 90 this past club season.
Posted on 6/30/13 at 7:34 pm to SabiDojo
Percent?
Posted on 6/30/13 at 7:34 pm to SabiDojo
The best stat sheet I could find was this page, which put him at 66% for 2012-13 (33/50) when he played a half season. Is there a soccer equivalent to baseball-reference somewhere?
ETA: Here is Tim Howard's for comparison.
ETA: Here is Tim Howard's for comparison.
This post was edited on 6/30/13 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 6/30/13 at 7:35 pm to NOTORlOUSD
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but is still fighting for the starting job on his own club team.
Yeah, about that...
Posted on 6/30/13 at 7:44 pm to NOTORlOUSD
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I feel like there are a dozen keepers in the world who are better at stopping difficult shots.
Care to name them for us?
Posted on 6/30/13 at 7:46 pm to NOTORlOUSD
I've always had a more difficult time judging keepers than pretty much any other position.
For example, I felt like Buffon should have done better on that Cavani goal while most of the board felt it was pretty much unstoppable.
And clearly some keepers (for lesser teams) are under much greater pressure than keepers for the truly elite teams.
If I remember correctly, someone posted something a while back which showed that Lopez' stats for Madrid this year were better than Casillas'. Even with something like save percentage though there are still a lot of variables, i.e. the "quality" of shots saved, etc.
For example, I felt like Buffon should have done better on that Cavani goal while most of the board felt it was pretty much unstoppable.
And clearly some keepers (for lesser teams) are under much greater pressure than keepers for the truly elite teams.
If I remember correctly, someone posted something a while back which showed that Lopez' stats for Madrid this year were better than Casillas'. Even with something like save percentage though there are still a lot of variables, i.e. the "quality" of shots saved, etc.
Posted on 6/30/13 at 7:50 pm to NOTORlOUSD
I've always said I thought he was overrated, but there's just no way you can think of a dozen men who are better. At least I can't. I can't even get close to 12.
Posted on 6/30/13 at 7:52 pm to Crede15
Casillas is a magnificent distributor. Literally one of the best in the world. People forget he's only 32, and only entering what should be his prime. There might be better pure shot stoppers, but Casillas has as close to a complete game than any other GK playing. He can handle, throw, kick, command an area, organize a defense, everything you want in a keeper. And the mental side of his game is superb. He's a once in a lifetime type of GK talent.
Posted on 6/30/13 at 7:53 pm to BleedPurpleGold
8 naked sheets in 19 matches coming off injury.
Posted on 6/30/13 at 7:57 pm to SabiDojo
I also didn't mean to imply that Casillas should never be benched or that he is an automatic starter. He had a rather poor season by his standards this past year with Real, but there were mitigating circumstances (injury, falling out with Mourinho, etc). But overall, looking at his entire career, it's hard to deny that he isn't one of the best keepers of all time.
Posted on 6/30/13 at 8:01 pm to crazy4lsu
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He can handle, throw, kick, command an area, organize a defense, everything you want in a keeper. And the mental side of his game is superb. He's a once in a lifetime type of GK talent.
Posted on 6/30/13 at 8:06 pm to SabiDojo
So did you mean 90%?
Posted on 6/30/13 at 8:13 pm to SabiDojo
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8 naked sheets in 19 matches coming off injury.
Reina had the same clean sheet percentage as Casillas. Tottenham's combination of keepers also had the same percentage.
Posted on 6/30/13 at 8:23 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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So did you mean 90%?
I'm sorry. I didn't see your first post. Yes, GAA. I was wrong, though (.89).
Posted on 6/30/13 at 8:25 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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Reina had the same clean sheet percentage as Casillas. Tottenham's combination of keepers also had the same percentage.
I was just giving Cassillas the credit due to him. The guy is widely considered by many to be one of the top keepers in the game.
Like someone said earlier, he is a general. His futbol IQ is incredible, and he was nothing short of impressive in the WC.
Brazil just did what very few teams can do, and I think that speaks more of Brazil than less of Spain.
Posted on 6/30/13 at 8:31 pm to SabiDojo
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I was just giving Cassillas the credit due to him. The guy is widely considered by many to be one of the top keepers in the game.
Oh I think he's incredible, I just shy away from the thought that most have that he's "easily" the best in the world. You can certainly make an argument, but I've seen way too many say its a no contest. In that sense, I think he's overrated.
Posted on 6/30/13 at 8:33 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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but I've seen way too many say its a no contest.
I don't think it's undisputed at all. It's just a fact that Cassillas is in great company at his position.
Just curious, who do you think is the top keeper in the game?
Posted on 6/30/13 at 8:35 pm to WarSlamEagle
Diego Lopez performed better than Casillas.
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