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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


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Working doesn't ensure access to all goods


Nor should it.






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mograyback
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Working doesn't ensure access to all goods. Most people who work cannot afford a yacht or a Porsche.


Or even the good kind of cheese in the cheese aisle.






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olgoi khorkhoi
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their well-being was not determined by the arbitrary number of green pieces of paper in their wallet.



No, their well-being was determined by the will of violent dictators.



So a tradeoff, maybe?







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Quentin Compson
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HempHead
Also, are you under the impression that people were told where to work in the USSR? I am well aware of the gross atrocities committed there, but I do think you had control over your employment.






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Scruffy
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Freedom is an ideal that differs per individual. Nothing more, nothing less.





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Quentin Compson
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Freedom is an ideal that differs per individual. Nothing more, nothing less.
I disagree.






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Vols&Shaft83
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


Freedom, it costs $1.05





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Vols&Shaft83
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Quentin Compson



I do not choose to be a common man. It is my right to be uncommon—if I can. I seek opportunity—not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act for myself, enjoy the benefit of my creations, and to face the world boldly and say, this I have done. All this is what it means to be an American.


Dean Alfange






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HempHead
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


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Also, are you under the impression that people were told where to work in the USSR?


One may have been able to choose a profession - but one had no alternative employer besides the state.

If one really wants to look at the largest (in terms of authority and extent of power over its citizens) command economy, just look at the results of the Khmer Rouge.






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Wolfhound45
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Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose...

- Janice Joplin






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Wolfhound45
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I do not choose to be a common man. It is my right to be uncommon—if I can.


Awesome quote.







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Scruffy
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I disagree.
Freedom is simply an ideal that is upheld only when that individual agrees with it. Does that mean that it is no longer freedom, but something else entirely?






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Quentin Compson
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but one had no alternative employer besides the state.
There were thousands upon thousands of tiny departments that basically acted like businesses. And harder work did often bring in higher pay .






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HempHead
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There were thousands upon thousands of tiny departments that basically acted like businesses.


In what ways did they behave like businesses?

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And harder work did often bring in higher pay .


Pay determined by whom?

Also, the difficulty of work is not (and should not be) the determining factor in compensation. Labor theory of value is garbage.






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Quentin Compson
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In what ways did they behave like businesses?
They made decisions that they thought would bring about the greatest efficiency.






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Quentin Compson
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HempHead
Do you think the price system should be extended to education? That way, millions upon millions of children who should be in school are sitting at home because their parents don't have enough pieces of paper in their pocket?

That is despicable.






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HempHead
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They made decisions that they thought would bring about the greatest efficiency.


Indeed.

How can such decisions be made without economic calculation? The lack of profit and loss means that decisions are made without any effective feedback for efficient allocation of resources.






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HempHead
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That way, millions upon millions of children who should be in school are sitting at home because their parents don't have enough pieces of paper in their pocket?


Yes, this is exactly what I advocate.






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Quentin Compson
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Yes, this is exactly what I advocate.
Well, how do YOU suggest we extend education to all children while at the same time abolishing public education ( planned/command economy).

Parents the the USSR did not have to worry about college costs.






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ShortyRob
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Parents the the USSR did not have to worry about college costs.

Just cause something is free doesn't mean it's available.

What percentage of the population could even go?






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