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Quentin Compson
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Is freedom often an illusion?


Are people really free when the goods and services capitalism provides require money? You have the freedom to have good healthcare, if you an afford it. You have the freedom to have a car, if you can afford it.

Is Freedom the wrong word?







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TheLankiestLawyer
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


Opportunity?





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olgoi khorkhoi
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


Brave men died so that we would have opportunity, not free shite. Good grief.





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Tiguar
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


Freedom is the proper word.

Are you more free as a child, where you are provided for, or an adult?

edit: Freedom is the proper word in the context given by the OP.

I don't think we as Americans are as "free" as we think we are.



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olgoi khorkhoi
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


Let me guess, you're a sophmore philosophy major





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Quentin Compson
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


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Freedom is the proper word.

Are you more free as a child, where you are provided for, or an adult?
Are elderly people freer now because of medicare or before the 60s, when they were shackled by high medical prices?






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Quentin Compson
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


quote:

Let me guess, you're a sophmore philosophy major
No, all I am saying is that the price system forces us to work in order to maintain happiness.






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Jake88
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


Freedom is not "having" things. Freedom is the lack of government restriction on one's chance to have things or engage in things.


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Tiguar
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


Were they forced to pay into medicare? Less free.





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HempHead
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


Scarcity is not avoidable. Man can not survive without laboring (neither can other living things for that matter). It is simply the reality of things.

Capitalism (ie private property) is easily the best form of organization that allows us to accumulate capital and thus advance our production...allowing individuals to labor towards ends that were previously unattainable.






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Quentin Compson
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


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Freedom is the lack of government restriction on one's chance to have things or engage in things.
Government is replaced by the price system. The price system restricts happiness, in a sense.






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olgoi khorkhoi
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


bullshite, I know vagabonds that are happier than any CEO I've ever met. You choose to believe that things bring happiness. probably because that's what you were taught and have seen.





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HempHead
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Government is replaced by the price system.


Prices are merely a reflection of the preferences of actors in the market, and underlying scarcity. Unlike government, there is no agent acting in a coercive manner (unless you want to be angry at the universe).






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Quentin Compson
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Unlike government, there is no agent acting in a coercive manner (unless you want to be angry at the universe).
I am forced to pay for things if I want them.






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HempHead
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I am forced to pay for things if I want them.


By whom?






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Jake88
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


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The price system restricts happiness, in a sense.


No it doesn't. The freest person I ever met was a homeless guy who wanted no part of shelters and happily proclaimed he owed no one and was freer than anyone he ever knew. Regardless of the assistance offered he refused citing he was free to go where he wanted, when he wanted.

IN FACT, I've never been less free than now as I have a family, a good job, taxes, responsibility and a FEAR of losing it all.



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Quentin Compson
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


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By whom?
The price system.






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HempHead
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The price system.


There is no hard and set price system. As I said before, prices are a reflection of actor preferences and scarcity.

The fact that you must labor in order to meet your ends is a condition of life, and is unavoidable.






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Quentin Compson
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The fact that you must labor in order to meet your ends is a condition of life, and is unavoidable.
The price system is very unfair for a person who labors for little capital.







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Tiguar
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


your issue is with life and humans, there will never be the kind of "freedom" you seem to be in pursuit of.





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