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rocket31
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Everytime they matched up it either led to a easy bucket for duncan or a foul on teh Birdman


not sure how you can say that, birdman didnt even play in two games this series (for some reason).

duncan went 7/10 and 6/10 those two games.

game 2, birdman played duncan and was a key part in holding him to his lowest finals performance ever (3/13)




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jturn17
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Bosh got abused the last 2 games on defense, he is always late rotating and his feet look like they are glued down to the floor
O'rly? LINK LINK LINK
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where Ginobili tried to slip a routine pocket pass between a James-Bosh trap and to a rolling Duncan. Bosh reached about as far as his arms extend to deflect the pass and steal the ball.

That’s just a great play that very few bigs can make. I like to ask point guards which bigs they hate facing in pick-and-rolls, and Bosh’s name almost always comes up. Point guards hate his speed, and they especially hate how wide he spreads his arms in his defensive stance. They always mention his arms. Duncan roughed up Bosh in the first half with a vintage “Get on my back, I’ll take us home” Duncan game, but Bosh regrouped and had a monster second half full of hustle plays — deflections, pick-and-roll coverages, rim protection, and two giant late-game shot blocks (on Parker, and then the game-ender on Green).


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birdman didnt even play in two games this series (for some reason)
Because he wasn't able to do a good job of guarding Duncan. Haslem played over him because at least Haslem was done a somewhat decent job. Then Haslem proved ineffective as well in G5, so they brought Birdman back. Birdman is too quick to try to pull the chair out from bigs, and it just gives them too easy of baskets. It also didn't help Birdman wasn't playing good pnr defense either though.



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corndeaux
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Bosh's defense is what makes the Heat defense work. His quickness and length make it extremely difficult for pnr ball handlers,


This guy gets it.

Bosh also makes their offense work. His ability to hit jumpers as a stretch 5 with James/Wade and 2 shooters is the key. It allows Wade to be the one non shooter and keep defenses out of the paint.

Bigger and more traditional isnt necessarily better for Miami






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rocket31
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Bosh did a much better job on Duncan


no, no he didnt. i wish i could find the numbers again of the 1on1 comparison






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jturn17
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no, no he didnt. i wish i could find the numbers again of the 1on1 comparison

Process over results. Duncan made some great shots against Bosh. That happens. But Bosh was there on every shot. Birdman wasn't, and it got him benched.

Plus the 2nd half of both game 6 and game 7 Bosh virtually took Duncan out of the game with his ability to front. That not only takes Duncan out of the game, it short circuits the Spurs offense because they end up not getting into their actions until like 8-10 seconds on clock. Bosh did much better job fronting than Birdman.



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rocket31
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Bosh also makes their offense work


theoretically yes, but throughout the playoffs birdman was more efficient and the heat had a better +/- when he was on the floor...






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rocket31
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and it got him benched.


thats not what got him benched dude; duncan scored 9 points in game 2 and 12 in game 3.






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Pedro
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if they trade bosh and wade away bron will leave in 2014. book it.


besides all of this is void. wade will retire as a member of the heat.






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jturn17
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throughout the playoffs birdman was more efficient and the heat had a better +/- when he was on the floor...
Well no shite. He's mostly playing against backups in that LeBron + shooters line up. A little context is generally needed for +/-.






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ZTiger87
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I don't see them ever trading Wade unless he demands one, and I don't see the market for Bosh. They wouldn't get a player of equal value and they don't need extra role players. The best they could do is probably something like Nene+Ariza or Asik+Delfino+T Jones.





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thats not what got him benched dude
When Miami went to a one big line up, Birdman was the odd man out because he's not a great post defender.






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rocket31
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He's mostly playing against backups in that LeBron + shooters line up


birdman played hibbert and noah better than bosh dude.

you can spin this all you want, but birdman played more efficiently than bosh throughout the playoffs; and birdman is a on a poverty contract.




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jturn17
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I'm not defending Bosh's play in the ECF. He wasn't very good. Part of that was him. Part of that was the Heat didn't do a good job with their gameplans in my opinion. But that's not really what this conversation was about.

But it seems like you're wading into suggesting the Heat would be better with Andersen instead of Bosh, and I would just have to completely disagree. Maybe you're not, but that's what it seems like you're getting at.



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Dr. Shultz
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if they trade bosh and wade away bron will leave in 2014. book it.



Well duh but the heat would never trade both of them (and most likely not D Wade.)

If D Wade left Lebron would leave b\c the only reason he is there to is to win championships AND play with his best friend.

Without D Wade he would never have been there






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rocket31
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I feel ya, I just dont think Bosh is *that* valuable to the lineup. Im not suggesting getting rid of him, but Birdman was doing just as well, if not, better.

And like I said, with the contract differences, we really shouldnt even need to compare the two, but a comparison does exist.



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Birdman was doing just as well, if not, better.
He was doing well for his role. I completely agree. But it's a VERY limited role.

The whole team short circuits without Bosh's floor spacing, and he's one of the best pnr defenders in the league. He's far more important to the team than Birdman, and the Finals proved that in my opinion. It's just hard to really see how great he is often because it's very subtle. Also, it doesn't help he needs to play 35m-40m, while Birdman can go all out for 15m.

But they're both great for the Heat in different ways, obviously.



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BarbeTiger
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Fun Bunch


You want them to break up so the Celtics can move on up. Not happening!






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LOCO5150
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Wade needs to take most of the first of next year off and get his body healthy.

Bosh is a great player, but the way he is used in Miami has a lot to do with his numbers. Spo wants to take him outside to draw the big defender out of the lane so the playmakers can drive. Bosh sacrifices his stats by doing this.

Having said that, it only works if you have someone like Bosh that can step outside and hit those shots.

I would like to see Bosh go, and use that $ to find a good defender in his role, and then spend some $ on a center that was worth a shite.

JMO






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shel311
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But in sports, if you aren't ahead of everyone else, you're already behind
Uhh, they are ahead of everyone else

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he Heat should do EVERYTHING they can to trade Bosh and Wade for a variety of pieces
What are feasible trades for those 2 that would make Miami better?






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RonFNSwanson
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Wade played great last night. Bosh was a no show. I never really liked him on the team, even when he had good games.





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