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Patrick O Rly
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs


The feds have already spent your tax money into oblivion. You're essentially paying interest on debt that's ever growing and will never be paid off.





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oklahogjr
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs


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The problem arises when people are NOT paying into the system because they aren't working. This is the welfare trap. If people were cycling in and out of poverty, I would agree with you, but we're missing the larger picture, which is about the people who are stuck in poverty and who are, through government action, enabled to remain stuck in poverty.

The question then becomes how do we get them out of poverty? I don't think drug testing does that well. If we took the money we spent drug testing and sent all the unemployed people and offered them trade school type training or apprenticeship placement programs in private enterprises the money would be spent a lot better.






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oklahogjr
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Yes giving fricking crackheads free phones and food is a much better idea.....the truly poor and honest people will still get their checks....the suckass losers who take my tax money and use it for drugs will be gone! Win/WIn


if you think it is this black and white you really have no idea what you're talking about.






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Duke
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs


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Drugs are not an immediate need.


Try telling a heroin or crack addict that.








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Interception
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs


Why does the GOP waste everyones time with such B.S.?

The GOP comes off as petty and picking on the poor everytime.






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Stingray
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs


this is another waste of time by the repubs.

this failed in florida, it was cost prohibitive.

they should be passing bills to reduce amount of food stamps given out.






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GoBigOrange86
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The question then becomes how do we get them out of poverty? I don't think drug testing does that well. If we took the money we spent drug testing and sent all the unemployed people and offered them trade school type training or apprenticeship placement programs in private enterprises the money would be spent a lot better.


This is the more appropriate conversation to have. I agree with you that drug testing does not get them out of poverty, but it's not DESIGNED to get them out of poverty. It's designed to make sure money is only going to essentials.

There's a lot we could do to help cut down on poverty. Abolishing the minimum wage and ending the war on drugs would be a good start.

"HE wants to abolish the minimum wage! EVIL, EVIL Republican!"






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upgrayedd
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs


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The GOP comes off as petty and picking on the poor everytime


Well, someone has to say NO sometimes. And there are only a few in the GOP that will do that.






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ChineseBandit58
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It's in Democrats best interest to keep drug abusers and poor people out of work, for if not, they would not have a voting block.

THIS is the defining credo of the DEM party.

THIS is what ALL their policies are designed to achieve.

The ONLY test a DEM has in making policy decisions is = "Will this result in more people who are inclined to vote for DEMs?"

You can trace every policy decision the DEMs have made in the past 60 years to this one criterion.

Nothing is too degrading, too illogical, too harmful to the county, to skirt this test. If it increases the likelihood of more voters, illegal or otherwise, then they are for it.

If there is any chance that a policy will inhibit a DEM vote then they are against it. DEMs LOVE dysfunctional behavior because it creates more and more inept, uncaring, easily misled, blocs of voters for them.

Country going down the drain? It's OK by the DEMs as long as they are in control of the process.






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Homesick Tiger
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what is stopping you from being poor and living on government money?


Admission of "I'm losing this argument".






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TexasTiger1185
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The question then becomes how do we get them out of poverty?


Requiring people to get a job.

If you're on welfare you get 6 months. Limit it, if after 6 months you have not found gainful employment you need to prove that you were VERY active in trying to get it. I don't mean applying, I mean applying A LOT, interviews etc.

I had a girl call up to where I work as HR and ask if we had any openings. I said no, she asked for my name. I asked why she would need my last name and her response was, "So I can put down that I tried to get a job from you."
"Ma'am, with all due respect, calling businesses and asking if they have openings isn't trying to get a job. You didn't come in, you didn't even apply for a job, we always accept applications."

That is not trying to get a job, but that's what they consider trying. Calling places you aren't qualified for while you sit around in your PJ's.






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Interception
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Well, someone has to say NO sometimes. And there are only a few in the GOP that will do that.


Let's punish addicts?

What exactly happens when an addict can't get his drugs? You think this person is going to think reasonably when he loses his stamps? What's the first thing an addict does when he can't get something?






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GoBigOrange86
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What exactly happens when an addict can't get his drugs? You think this person is going to think reasonably when he loses his stamps? What's the first thing an addict does when he can't get something?


So we should enable them instead and hope that things turn out alright?

I've had a close family member addicted to hard drugs. Enabling is not helping. It's condemnation.






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oklahogjr
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It's designed to make sure money is only going to essentials.


I've had experience with something similar to this and watched it destroy my highschool.

They couldn't drug test the entire student population at the highschool so they decided to drug test all the kids doing extracurricular activities. This dropped the drug use rate of those kids by somewhere right about 0%, maybe a little higher than that but not much. Beating the tests was easy enough and if you really wanted to you just went to the doctor and got a note for some painkillers. My school went from having quite a few pot heads that played sports and were in exracurriculars to having a bunch of pill junkies in extracurriculars that only smoked pot occasionally. We had a few kids drop out of sports all together for the drugs but that was probably a total of 10 kids all together. My point is this, we probably won't even accomplish the goal of only getting the essentials in this because in reality you can get high and beat a drug test pretty easily either through legal means or by purchasing a cleansing kit from your local headship. Drug testing is just to inefficient to actually catch anyone committed to using drugs.

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Abolishing the minimum wage

I'm not familiar with how this would help poverty, I know it would drop the unemployment rate but working poor people are still poor people.

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ending the war on drugs

This has got to be one of the most wasteful programs in the history of our country. It's ruined countless lives and costs huge amounts of money.






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oklahogjr
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Admission of "I'm losing this argument".

it's a fair question you have every right to do just what they are doing but you choose not to.






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Duke
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So we should enable them instead and hope that things turn out alright?


Who's going to pay for them to go to rehab?






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RollTide4Ever
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs


So what drug companies will handle this? I need to buy some stock.





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oklahogjr
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So what drug companies will handle this? I need to buy some stock.

whoever makes pain pills. I'd watch their sales and stock prices if this goes all the way through. It'll be interesting to see.






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GoBigOrange86
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs


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I'm not familiar with how this would help poverty, I know it would drop the unemployment rate but working poor people are still poor people.


Okay, so, the minimum wage is a nice thing for the working class, but it completely shuts the poorest of the poor out of the market.

We send the poor to failing inner-city government run schools where they don't acquire enough marketable skills. Then we throw them onto the market and expect them to find employment at a wage that is above what an employer finds it worth paying them.

Say there's a teenager willing to work for a few bucks an hour doing some menial trade skill job. The government has made that illegal. It isn't an option. Now, this person COULD work for a few bucks, pocket some spending money, and earn a valuable skill that would enable him to progress to a better, high-paying job, but the government has said, no, you are forbidden from doing this. So, the person can find no employment. His government education has failed to give him marketable skills, and he has been completely priced out of a market where he might be ABLE to acquire marketable skills that could lead him to a better life. Too bad, the government says. Here's some food stamps.

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This has got to be one of the most wasteful programs in the history of our country. It's ruined countless lives and costs huge amounts of money.


And it funds a black market for drugs that would not otherwise exist. People die every day in our cities over drugs. It's unconscionable that we allow this to continue.

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My point is this, we probably won't even accomplish the goal of only getting the essentials in this because in reality you can get high and beat a drug test pretty easily either through legal means or by purchasing a cleansing kit from your local headship. Drug testing is just to inefficient to actually catch anyone committed to using drugs.


I agree with this argument. I'm not saying this program is going to accomplish its stated purposes. Government action rarely does. My point is that it is not necessarily a vilification, nor is it unreasonable to ask that people only spend taxpayer money on their essential needs.






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Patrick O Rly
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs


Are you really that mad at people who don't pay into the ponzi scheme?





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