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Culling Deer / Management Bucks / always a friendly topic on the OB
Posted on 6/18/13 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 6/18/13 at 4:07 pm
Pretty good article out of south texas on a few of the topics we love to get in pissing matches about on the OB...Its a long read but some good info.
South Texas Deer Study
South Texas Deer Study
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Specific to the first question — when does antler size peak — researchers collected 4827 capture records from 3098 individual bucks over a 13-year period. About five percent of the unique bucks captured had a gross Boone and Crockett score above 150, two percent were above 160, and only half a percent scored above 170. Four out of 3098 bucks grossed above 180, two out of 3098 grossed above 190, and only one buck in 13 years involving nearly 5000 capture records gross scored above 200.
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In every age class, the bucks that were forked antlered as yearlings outscored the bucks that were spikes as yearlings. In the 4.5 age category the gross B&C score of the bucks that were spikes as yearlings ranged from 85 inches to 145 inches, with the average being 116 inches. However, the gross B&C score of the bucks that were forked as yearlings when recaptured at age 4.5 ranged from 90 to 160 with an average of 130. Looking at the data another way, 11 of the 15 bucks that had a gross B&C score under 110 were spikes as yearlings, Hellickson said, and 12 of the 13 bucks scoring above 140 were forked antlered yearlings.
This post was edited on 6/18/13 at 4:11 pm
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Posted on 6/18/13 at 4:11 pm to TexasTiger
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Culling Deer / Management Bucks
Depends on how hungry i am if it's a cull or not
Posted on 6/18/13 at 4:12 pm to TexasTiger
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12 of the 13 bucks scoring above 140 were forked antlered yearlings.
wow. totally goes against what i thought. death to spikes!
ETA: what i had read & been told was that first year antler size depended largely on the time of year that the deer was born, & would all level out later down the road.
This post was edited on 6/18/13 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 6/18/13 at 4:16 pm to TexasTiger
It is a good read. Our management program has been structured very similar to this for the past 4-5 years and we have been very happy with the results thus far. And yes, death to spikes.
This post was edited on 6/18/13 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 6/18/13 at 4:20 pm to TexasTiger
if its brown its down
Posted on 6/18/13 at 4:22 pm to KingRanch
Word
Posted on 6/18/13 at 4:34 pm to TexasTiger
I took three things from that article:
1) If you don't have an extremly controlled environment, culling doesn't end up mattering.
2) The more points on the rack, the higher it scores. Seriously, it is not a shock that 8pts don't score over 160.
3) If you really want to maximize your trophy deer potential, kill them the fall after a wet spring.
1) If you don't have an extremly controlled environment, culling doesn't end up mattering.
2) The more points on the rack, the higher it scores. Seriously, it is not a shock that 8pts don't score over 160.
3) If you really want to maximize your trophy deer potential, kill them the fall after a wet spring.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 4:37 pm to TexasTiger
Very interesting article but one needs to be careful when deciding to kill all spikes. There are more factors to determining other than first year antlers.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 4:50 pm to gorillacoco
quote:something like that. Always shoot a yearling spike that is still with its mom the next fall. Likely born late, and will always e a half year behind the other bucks and that can be passed down to offspring.
what i had read & been told was that first year antler size depended largely on the time of year that the deer was born, & would all level out later down the road.
As far as shooting spikes, I kinda like it. With so many first year bucks having up to 6 points, one that is a spike is inferior.
We had some big 3 yr old 6 pts on out place they everyone key walk hoping they would turn into big awesome 8s. One for sure developed into a 130 8 but there are a ton of young bucks with their genes.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 5:03 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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something like that. Always shoot a yearling spike that is still with its mom the next fall. Likely born late, and will always e a half year behind the other bucks and that can be passed down to offspring.
I don't think birthday has anything to do with genetic makeup. I would think if you are going to let any spike walk, it would be the one you described....late spikes may be the outlier on the research.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 5:06 pm to TexasTiger
Wow, now I don't feel so bad about accidentally shooting spikes that I thought were does. They tasted great and I may have done the woods a favor.
It sounds like you need to protect the younger fork horns/baskets, and only shoot spikes, does and mature bucks.
It sounds like you need to protect the younger fork horns/baskets, and only shoot spikes, does and mature bucks.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 5:13 pm to tigerfoot
According to a deer breeder ( don't remember name or ht show I saw it on) said that they found that a doe that breeds late, will pass that on to her doe fawns and her yearling buck will always be inferior to other bucks his age class. Is what I was trying to say.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 5:20 pm to KingRanch
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if its brown its down
That is the general rule where I hunt. I don't think anyone follows the state ARs around there. If the ground check shows it's illegal, it just gets cleaned quicker.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 5:23 pm to dat yat
No, I think the button bucks you shoot thinking they are does are fawns. Yearling spikes are what you should be shooting. Button bucks are still no-nos 
Posted on 6/18/13 at 5:27 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Always shoot a yearling spike that is still with its mom the next fall. Likely born late, and will always e a half year behind the other bucks and that can be passed down to offspring.
That doesn't make any sense.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 5:29 pm to TigerDeacon
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Always shoot a deer you'll be proud to shoot
FIFYall
Posted on 6/18/13 at 5:54 pm to TigerDeacon
Read my update. First post came out wrong
Posted on 6/18/13 at 6:30 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
I had read an article several years ago by Dr Kroll saying that after year 3 there was very little difference between spikes and fork horns.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 9:53 pm to offshoretrash
the what to shoot threads are always interesting. I cant wait for the next one.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 10:18 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Always shoot a deer you'll be proud to eat
FIFY
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