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Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:28 am to Foot
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I never got a car wash WHILE I was fueling up with gas
It also does not take me 30 minutes to fuel up my car with gas.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:30 am to reb13
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It also does not take me 30 minutes to fuel up my car with gas.
Then switch out the battery if your time is too valuable.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:31 am to Foot
Then why pay for the electric costs up front if I am going to have to pay them down the road as well?
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:31 am to Foot
Who knows... We may be looking at the future of automobiles.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:33 am to reb13
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Then why pay for the electric costs up front if I am going to have to pay them down the road as well?
You do realize you will be paying for electricity when charging at home right ?
Do you expect to buy a car and then never have to pay for "fuel" again ?
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:36 am to SG_Geaux
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Do you expect to buy a car and then never have to pay for "fuel" again ?
Is that not what they market these things as? "Fuel savers"?? In a perfect world you would not have to charge at home. You could just go to the charging station once a week and use their chargers.
ETA: a perfect world would mean being charged in 5 minutes.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 8:38 am
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:42 am to lynxcat
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Honestly, most people will charge at home overnight so supercharging stations are for people who are on to go during the day and will need a little extra juice at some point (or someone traveling across the country, hence why these swaps are such a big deal).
Ah OK. I didn't think about the fact that charging at home would be an option. My driving is pretty predictable so I would charge every night.
THe swaps are definitely a huge deal, especially being able to do it in under 2 minutes.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:56 am to SG_Geaux
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You do realize you will be paying for electricity when charging at home right ?
Do you expect to buy a car and then never have to pay for "fuel" again ?
Might be misunderstanding this, but I think reb's point is that you are sort of paying for your fuel twice, once when you buy the car and again when you have to pay for the battery switch.
I know that you are really paying for the convenience of getting in and out quickly, but that is free with gas powered cars.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:10 am to ZereauxSum
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you are sort of paying for your fuel twice, once when you buy the car and again when you have to pay for the battery switch.
Exactly, I guess the point is, this is not economically viable until they improve the technology of charging at the stations. Battery swaps are going to wreak havoc. Having something so integral to your car moving forward being taken out and replaced with another just has too many potential problems.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:27 am to reb13
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Exactly, I guess the point is, this is not economically viable until they improve the technology of charging at the stations. Battery swaps are going to wreak havoc. Having something so integral to your car moving forward being taken out and replaced with another just has too many potential problems.
I think you are wrong. The car was originally designed with this feature as a core component. To do it in 90 secs means it is quite easy to do. I think the would have considered the issues through the industrial design process...
I always lean back on this graphic when it comes to these discussions. We are still very much in the 2.5% Innovators tab and inching to early adopters. By the time the car can be charged in 5 minutes and there is a network of charging stations, Tesla will be well into early adoption and looking to go mainstream with the 30k smaller version of the Model S that will scale the company.
Huge accomplishments have been made of recent and they need a couple more years to really lay down the infrastructure and continue to improve the battery charging technology. Major first mover advantage when it comes to this tech.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:37 am to ZereauxSum
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I'm having the feeling that this could come back and bite Tesla in the arse if this takes off, similar to how unlimited data has been a problem for telecom companies.
I think they'll be selling you coffee and lunch and wifi access and other shite while you wait to make up for the $8 in electricity they're handing out.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:10 am to Putty
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I think they'll be selling you coffee and lunch and wifi access and other shite while you wait to make up for the $8 in electricity they're handing out.
While that's possible, the supercharger stations have solar panels, so in the long run their electricity costs tend toward zero.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:40 pm to lynxcat
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I think they'll be selling you coffee and lunch and wifi access and other shite while you wait to make up for the $8 in electricity they're handing out.
I can see it now, a starbucks where you can get your car recharged.
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lynxcat
I completely agree with what you are saying about it being in its very early phase. Which is why I am saying right now it is not economically in your best interests. If/when they make super charging done in 5 minutes or charging you say 5-10 dollars for a battery swap then you might be able to see more adoption.
When I think about this topic I believe you have to look at "why do I want an electric car?" and I think the main answer is to save money. At this point in time driving a tesla car, where you pay for the energy up front, then pay to charge at your house or swap your battery out for a higher price than gas is not saving you money.(my infiniti gets close to 350 miles on 50 dollars of gas so 7 miles a dollar vs Tesla battery swap 200 miles for 60 dollars so 3.33 miles a dollar) Not to mention an infiniti which is a pretty decent car costs 35000 versus 70000.
In the end I think what tesla is doing is revolutionary, but I do not think they will be the ones succeeding in the end.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:42 pm to reb13
until we solve the problem of running power plants without coal/gas/ect, we will still not be a whole lot better off IMO
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:05 pm to reb13
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When I think about this topic I believe you have to look at "why do I want an electric car?" and I think the main answer is to save money. At this point in time driving a tesla car, where you pay for the energy up front, then pay to charge at your house or swap your battery out for a higher price than gas is not saving you money.(my infiniti gets close to 350 miles on 50 dollars of gas so 7 miles a dollar vs Tesla battery swap 200 miles for 60 dollars so 3.33 miles a dollar) Not to mention an infiniti which is a pretty decent car costs 35000 versus 70000.
The "energy up front" fee is $2000, if I recall correctly, which will take you about 40,000 miles. If you do most of your charging at home, then yeah you might never use $2k worth of paid-for supercharger energy over the life of the car. The battery swaps are not intended to be used for every charge, obviously. I think battery swaps will probably account for less than 1% of all "charges" for a long time, and will be an occasional convenience only. Even factoring in the swap fees, pre-paid supercharger fee, and home electricity costs, it is still much cheaper to operate a Tesla than a gasoline car. If you really want to get down to the nitty gritty, you have to factor in no oil changes, fewer moving parts and mechanical issues, and even less brake pad wear in the Tesla's favor.
But even setting aside the costs of ownership and forgetting that it's an electric vehicle, the Model S is still a high-end luxury sedan with extremely high ratings, and many people think it's worth the price even without fuel savings.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:09 pm to jimbeam
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until we solve the problem of running power plants without coal/gas/ect, we will still not be a whole lot better off IMO
First, keep in mind that a power plant converts fossil fuels into energy more efficiently than a car engine does. Second, solar panels are quickly approaching dollar per watt parity with more traditional sources, and the days of solar being the cheapest means of energy production may be here sooner than you think.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:40 pm to Korkstand
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you have to factor in no oil changes, fewer moving parts and mechanical issues, and even less brake pad wear in the Tesla's favor.
Ok no oil changes. Everything else you said has yet to be proven
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:44 pm to reb13
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Ok no oil changes. Everything else you said has yet to be proven
Less pad wear is a fact.
No air filter changes
No fluid changes
No fuel filter changes
No Transmission to frick up
No engine to break down
No spark plugs to change
Basically none of the shite that normally goes wrong/needs to be replaced on a car
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:48 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Ok, it's easy to make an argument when no one knows what could go wrong with the electric cars. Because I guarantee you it's not maintenance free.
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