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Some prominent health insurers, including industry giant UnitedHealth Group Inc., are not participating in California's new state-run health insurance market, possibly limiting the number of choices for millions of consumers.

UnitedHealth, the nation's largest private insurer, Aetna Inc. and Cigna Corp. are sitting out the first year of Covered California, the state's insurance exchange and a key testing ground nationally for a massive coverage expansion under the federal healthcare law.

Meanwhile, the biggest insurers in the state — Kaiser Permanente, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield of California — are all expected to participate in the state-run market for individual health coverage.


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mtntiger
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I had no idea insurance companies could opt out. Gives more credence to the idea that Obamacare is designed to be such a disaster that pols will claim the only thing left to try is single payer.





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Lsut81
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I had no idea insurance companies could opt out.


I'm guessing by being part of the exchanges, the insurers have to accept lower rates






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TrueTiger
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I had no idea insurance companies could opt out.


I'm surprised too. The people can't, why should the provider be able to?






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mtntiger
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So the choices will be limited, thereby keeping prices higher. FORWARD!!!!





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GumboPot
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single payer.


Which really means there will be a two tiered healthcare system analogous to private and public education system.

The haves will pay for the public and private healthcare and receive excellent healthcare. The percentage of people that will be able to afford this will probably max out at 10%.

The rest of the 90% will enjoy the fruits (mostly rotten) of public healthcare.

The tragedy is that before Obamacare 84% of the people were enjoying excellent healthcare for the most part. Now to cover that 16% without healthcare (they still got emergency room care) we need to down grade the healthcare or make it more expensive for the 84%.







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INFIDEL
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Gumbo, I've been saying this since day one. Good post





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Lsut81
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I've been saying this since day one


You insensitive, greedy bastard....









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Kreg Jennings
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Hopefully the carriers that are not participating will think about experimenting with a plan that is offered regionally or nationally...IE, no state to state restrictions on plans. More competition equals more efficiency from providers and lower prices due to more provider/plan options.


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Oenophile Brah
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Gives more credence to the idea that Obamacare is designed to be such a disaster that pols will claim the only thing left to try is single payer.

Exactly. This was never intended to work. Just listen to Obama's own words. He spoke directly to this before he became President.






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GeauxxxTigers23
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Hopefully the carriers that are not participating will think about experimenting with a plan that is offered regionally or nationally...IE, no state to state restrictions on plans


I thought that was against the law?






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Lsut81
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no state to state restrictions on plans


I don't think they can do this due to the interstate commerce restrictions

Was one of the big things repubs were arguing to eliminate if costs were truly intended to come down






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roguetiger15
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think about it. why would the insurance companies be able to opt out? maybe to insure more americans get on the gov dole? hmmmmm.





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shawnlsu
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The people can't, why should the provider be able to?


Because the providers have much more representation in DC than the people do.






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GeauxxxTigers23
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think about it. why would the insurance companies be able to opt out? maybe to insure more americans get on the gov dole? hmmmmm


Of course, it's obvious that this was designed to fail. And it being a government program it will never go away and somehow they figure out a way to keep this and a single payer system.






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Insurance companies won't voluntarily participate in a system that provides more choices and creates a more competitive environment.

Keep in mind that these are the people who wrote the damn healthcare law that mandates insurance coverage.....it should be no shock that they intentionally support an environment with limited consumer choices, more barriers to entry, and fewer competitors.

This entire law was a cave to special interests. Even the Obamabots see that with just a little bit of independent thought.



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oklahogjr
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The people can't, why should the provider be able to?
considering insurance companies wrote the bill why would they have to be a part of it if they didn't want to be.






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Mr.Perfect
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Because the providers have much more representation in DC than the people do


nail on head my friend






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GeauxxxTigers23
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Insurance companies won't voluntarily participate in a system that provides more choices and creates a more competitive environment.
Keep in mind that these are the people who wrote the damn healthcare law that mandates insurance coverage.....it should be no shock that they intentionally support an environment with limited consumer choices, more barriers to entry, and fewer competitors.
This entire law was a cave to special interests. Even the Obamabots see that with just a little bit of independent thought


So what you're saying is. The left really wanted to be able to say they did something for the little people who don't have health care but didn't ahve a fricking clue what they were doing, so all the insurance companies were like

"Hey guys, we'll just write it for you and then you can go on TV and say it does whatever you want to say it does because nobody is going to bother reading 15,000 pages worth of this dribble and claim victory."






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matthew25
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Since UHC only has about 2% of the market, what difference does this make, at this point?





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