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fouldeliverer
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which shows that fewer rules = good, but the problem with this is that the LAE, AFT, etc push for these very rules



I don't think the teacher unions are the ones pushing for more constraints on the teachers. I'll put it this way. As a teacher in a public school, I do not get to decide what to teach, when to teach it or now with the COMPASS evaluations how to teach it. The same goes for the discipline of students, nearly everything is taken out of the teachers and administrators hands.


As Brnet said, I am a union member but disagree with most if not all of the union platform. I am a member solely for lawsuit protection and on a lesser scale protection from being railroaded by principals.






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SlowFlowPro
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so they can't do bull shite like moving 100 gifted and talented kids to a failing school in order to game the standardized tests and prevent a state takeover.

just fricking terrible. the person who pushed this policy should be fired immediately






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Catman88
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Does this mean that the private schools cant get assistance from government any longer? Its not like the voucher program was the first time religious schools were set to get money. They get it for books all the time.





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fouldeliverer
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This is nobody's fault but Bobby Jindal and his zealous staff.

Regardless of what you think about the legislation, they were told NUMEROUS times that they were acting in an unconstitutional manner. Some of his own party members apparently warned him about the likely fate of his bill.



Exactly, whether or not you agree with the program doesn't change fact of its constitutionality.






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southernelite
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think for most, it is the idea that it is not their money to stipulate where it goes


tax dollars go to all kinds of private entities every single day. the idea that private schools shouldn't is asinine.






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it's not just your tax money. if a student wants to go to better school, you want to stop them from using the same money that would go to a public school to the school of their choice?



If my kids are not offered the same opportunities b/c I make too much money or the public schools in my area are above the cut off, yes.






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PrettyBird
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As a teacher in a public school, I do not get to decide what to teach, when to teach it or now with the COMPASS evaluations how to teach it.


Sounds like you should find a new job at a Charter school if you want that type of freedom






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fouldeliverer
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In my opinion the main problem with the American educational system is that we are way too concerned with the lower tier students much to the detriment of the more advanced students.





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yellowfin
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Remember at these private schools some of the teachers do not have any educational degree or training and some do not have degrees in what they are teaching.


Since they generally perform better kinda makes you think teachers down really need degrees






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ToulatownTiger
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Dont get me started on all the new discipline of the students. Pussy shite man. Thats why these kids (all schools) run around like wild monkeys. No respect for any adults anymore





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SlowFlowPro
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I don't think the teacher unions are the ones pushing for more constraints on the teachers.

sure they are. it's spun as protecting the teachers. the powers that run the unions think of you like you do the "lower income" people you referenced earlier. they don't think you and your fellow teachers can teach without these rules

they just spin is as protection, just like you spun your comments as protection (just of another group you feel superior towards)

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As a teacher in a public school, I do not get to decide what to teach, when to teach it or now with the COMPASS evaluations how to teach it.

and the only way to get the freedom to do so is to prove that this freedom given to a good teacher will lead to better results. this means breaking away from the union-slave mindset.

when a non-degreed teacher who isn't trained is given the freedom to develop a class that out-performs its public competition, then we should say "shit, look at that." instead, the public unions push for MORE rules (and sell them to teachers as protections)

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I am a member solely for lawsuit protection and on a lesser scale protection from being railroaded by principals.

and, again, the "commoditization" of teachers is a cause of the very unions who claim to protect you

that's why they push for every teacher to teach the same thing in the same way. nobody succeeds and creates their own protections, and all classes suffer, so everyone is at risk. then the union in shining armor comes down to protect you






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yellowfin
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What school would turn down money though? They don't care who is going to pay their tuition. The taxpayers or mom and dad.





lots of schools aren't accepting any vouchers






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If my kids are not offered the same opportunities b/c I make too much money or the public schools in my area are above the cut off, yes.



Exactly. I just dont like the idea of tax dollars going to a particular person so they can attend the same school as others who work extremely hard to send their kids to.






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SlowFlowPro
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In my opinion the main problem with the American educational system is that we are way too concerned with the lower tier students much to the detriment of the more advanced students.

such is the problem of the entire concept of public schools






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SFP, how does this litigation work? Now that it's ruled unconstitutional, can attorneys for Jindal now try to get it taken up to the U.S. Supreme Court? Or is it considered strictly a state issue, and stops here?





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SlowFlowPro
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I just dont like the idea of tax dollars going to a particular person so they can attend the same school as others who work extremely hard to send their kids to.

so are you paying for the education, the exclusion, or are you wearing the tag on your hat?






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fouldeliverer
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Since they generally perform better kinda makes you think teachers don't really need degrees



The importance of them at a elementary or lower grades of middle school level is probably overrated. But definitely not at the highschool level. And lets not pretend thats the reason private schools outperform public schools. They are dealing with a much different set of students demographically speaking. And as I stated earlier have much greater freedom.






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Mung
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There are several complex issues with the voucher system


Vouchers are a big issue nationwide, and Bobby got his plan passed. He doesn't really give a shite about whether or not it was successful, only that it raised his stock nationally for his 2016 Presidential run. Now he'll claim that the forces for the status quo and special interests joined to defeat his brilliant plan. Just forget about all the special interests and campaign contributors that are making bank off the state now, thanks to him.






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fouldeliverer
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such is the problem of the entire concept of public schools



Is free public education a privilege or right?


The private schools are able to operate under the idea that the student being educated is a privilege and indeed at a private school it is a privilege which can be taken away rather quickly for a variety of reasons. The public schools are forced to operate under the latter assumption.



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c on z
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They are dealing with a much different set of students demographically speaking


There is a different level of support as well.



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