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PanhandleDawg
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


You fricked that list up..

Auburn @ 182
Alabama @ 300
Arkansas @ 336
Florida @ 138
UGA @ 243
Kentucky @ 377
Ole Miss @ 519
Miss State @ 363
Mizzu @ 358
So Carolina @ 561
Tennessee @ 429
Texas A&M @ 58
Vandy @ 52

FIFY

And what academically did Mizzu add to the SEC again? Oh it was TV audience. Got it.


ETA:

Ole Miss @ 519
Miss State @ 363





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rockchlkjayhku11
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


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It is really a damn strong ranking for AU and it takes out a lot of the subjective bull shite the US News and World Reports type studies throw in there.

and it's pissing me off because the only people i know from high school that went to auburn couldnt go where they actually wanted






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Thorny
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


All of these types of lists try to quantify something that has too many variables to do so. I admire Bill Bennett, like a lot of his work and think that he has done a service here. However, this list must be taken with a certain grain of salt.

For example, I have two sons in college. The first wants to teach high school math and the other wants to be an engineer.

For the first, he wanted a smaller school with a program that would allow him to get a master's in Education in 5 years. The finalists were Belmont University (#1154) and Montevallo (#1236). Both are liberal arts colleges, but Belmont is private and we were looking at $15,000 out of pocket per year(after his merit scholarships and loans, but we qualified no need-based grants.) That means that he would have graduated with around $75,000 in debt to take a job that pays $36,000. Why in the world would you take on that debt without a clear way forward to pay it?

The same thing was true for my second son. He was admitted to Notre Dame (#10), Renselear Polytechnic (#20), Case Western Reserve (#37) and Rochester Institute of Technology (#162) and was a National Merit Finalist. However, when the numbers came in for aid, he was going to have to come up with at least $20,000 per year to attend any of those schools. Instead, he's got a full ride to Auburn and will essentially graduate without any debt. That makes him a free man.

The current regime of college admissions combined with basing aid pretty much solely on need instead of merit have created an environment where the class differences in the society are reinforced by the institutions that are supposed to erase them. In other words, while those colleges may have a great return on investment, that number means nothing if you can't make the investment in the first place. And since my son's won't be owned by the bank, they can make the choices they want to.

After all, while you are being hired, companies judge you by the reputation of the school you attend, but once you have been on the job and have a record of performance, your company starts to judge your school instead.

GEAUX TIGERS






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sheek
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


Wait is the same Bill Bennett that had a gambling problem?





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20MuleTeam
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


He's a degenerate gambler with zero credibility who GAF what he thinks





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Boats n Hose
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


LSU was free for me. I'd say it was worth it.

Besides, getting to delay real life for 4 years is worth it IMO.






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bayoudude
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


UNO #733





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CajunAlum Tiger Fan
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


quote:

quote:
All instate students at LSU get TOPS, right?

That $77,000 is a bit much.


By at least $40k...


Cost =/= Tuition

It's total costs: Tuition, Fees, Room and Board, Books, and Supplies

What is the total cost realistically (on campus vs. off campus housing)?



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BBONDS25
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The fact that they have LSU instate as 77k a year is laughable. I couldn't imagine spending that much at LSU in a year. Unless I was putting gold rims on my jetski


This comment helps explain LSU's ranking. My undergrad degree is top 30 on that list>






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Captain Ron
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


quote:

Top 10 "Worth It":
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1. Harvey Mudd College
2. California Institute of Technology
3. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
4. Stanford University
5. Princeton University
6. Harvard University
7. Dartmouth College
8. Duke University
9. University of Pennsylvania
10. University of Notre Dame



Spending 10x what I would pay to receive a similar engineering degree at the above schools is redonkulous; unless I want to get into research.

No thanks.

I'll keep my 6 figure salary < 10 years out at 1/10th the tuition.






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Captain Ron
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


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The fact that they have LSU instate as 77k a year is laughable.


shite. Maybe 77K for 4+ years.






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The Easter Bunny
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


quote:

1. Harvey Mudd College


have a friend who will be teaching Physics there in the fall

The school's name makes me think of this guy







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Doc Fenton
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The rankings are way too broad to be effective, but I think the gist of what Bennett was saying was that the very top schools are the only places where it still makes sense from an ROI perspective to get a liberal arts degree.

He says elsewhere that going to lower-tier schools is where it becomes important to select a "practical" career-related degree, in which case you're not part of the general problem that he was trying to describe.






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bunky
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


So does that mean my free Ph.D. from LSU is worthless?

shite.






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Doc Fenton
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I always thought the same thing, but never openly admitted it to anyone.





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The Easter Bunny
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


I give him shite about it all the time

It's gotten to the point that I sometimes forget if it's Harry Mudd or Harvey Mudd






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saderade
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


LSU is basically free for everyone instate that isn't a transfer. A couple of thousand in fees each year seems like an awesome investment to me





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tigerskin
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


Again he has LSU at 105 if have financial aid. Not bad





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Walking the Earth
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re: Only 150 of 3500 colleges worth the investment per William Bennett


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The rankings are way too broad to be effective, but I think the gist of what Bennett was saying was that the very top schools are the only places where it still makes sense from an ROI perspective to get a liberal arts degree.

He says elsewhere that going to lower-tier schools is where it becomes important to select a "practical" career-related degree, in which case you're not part of the general problem that he was trying to describe.


Exactly.

Getting a degree from a top liberal arts college probably serves the dual purpose of "getting educated" and "getting a degree that translates into a practical career".

Getting a degree in general studies or liberal arts from a state university probably does neither.

And it's not like engineers, science or math majors from any school are missing out on these nebulous skills like "critical thinking" or "learning how to learn". They're just applying those precepts to skills that are needed in the 21st century.






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OFWHAP
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Isn't Harvey Mudd $50,000+ per year? The only people I know who went to Harvey Mudd or the other Claremont colleges were already loaded and would have already been well off without dropping $50k+ per year for Harvey Mudd or Claremont McKenna.





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