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re: Jay Z vs Kanye West
Posted on 5/7/13 at 12:44 pm to Funky Tide 8
Posted on 5/7/13 at 12:44 pm to Funky Tide 8
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So is that what we consider classic albums these days? Kanye albums? Jesus.
you could just say you think rap sucks, it would be easier and save all of us some time
or are you EXCLUSIVELY a 90s hip hop fan?
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Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:06 pm to TreyAnastasio
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He is a tremendous douche. No doubt of that.
why b/c he said George Bush doesn't care about Black people? He's a college dropout and you expect him to know how the government works?
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:23 pm to trillhog
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why b/c he said George Bush doesn't care about Black people? He's a college dropout and you expect him to know how the government works?
The T Swift incident, arrogance, the way he dresses (albeit he's decent at it), he's also a sore loser.
Like I said earlier, I ignore these things. He's one of my top 5 favorite artists in any genre, even though I disagree with quite a bit of what he stands for.
Didn't he take back what he said about Bush? I'm not the biggest fan of Bush jr myself, but everybody makes mistakes (referring to Kanye, not W).
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:28 pm to Buddy Garrity
i agree i just listen to the music, even though i appreciate his style (air yeezys fosho) , 99% of celebrity entertainers barely finished high school, so when they have an opinion outside there industry i rarely give it much thought. With that being said.
Kanye for Prez!
Kanye for Prez!
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:40 pm to Buddy Garrity
Nope, i like some hip hop from the last decade.
I just think that Kanye is severely overrated. Him being a complete tool shed makes me hate him even more.
I just think that Kanye is severely overrated. Him being a complete tool shed makes me hate him even more.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:47 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I just think that Kanye is severely overrated.
listen to College Dropout and MBDTF in their entirety. they are both an experience that anybody who even casually enjoys rap should enjoy. they aren't like normal rap albums in which 3 or 4 songs are good and the rest were made and recorded in 20 minutes. all the songs flow together and they are all pretty good, very similar to Good Kid M.A.A.D City if you are familiar.
Then Late Registration and Graduation if you're feelin' them.
I'm a huge Kanye fan so it's hard to understand how people don't like him
. I feel the same way about the Grateful Dead, Jay Z, Kendrick Lamar, Allman Brothers, and Merle Haggard.Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:52 pm to Buddy Garrity
hello. i'm Kendric Lamar, to me a benz is just a car.
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:32 pm to trillhog
my mind is livin' on cloud nine and this nine is never on vacation
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:36 pm to Buddy Garrity
Halle Berry, hallelujah
Holla back I'll do ya!
Holla back I'll do ya!
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:45 pm to wildtigercat93
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Yeah, ok
I definitely have. And that shouldn't be shocking. There are thousands of girls all around these united States who are hotter than Beyonce Knowles. And those girls ain't banging themselves.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:56 pm to bobbyray21
There's just no possible way that the people saying that "Kanye sucks" or "Kanye is the most overrated act since The Beatles" have actually listened to MBDTF in its entirety. That album is a masterpiece. It's both the most ambitious mainstream hip-hop album ever made,and the best produced.
Yes, we all know he's an arrogant douche, but are we really gonna go down that road? A lot of great musicians have been arrogant dicks. You don't have to like them to like their music.
Yes, we all know he's an arrogant douche, but are we really gonna go down that road? A lot of great musicians have been arrogant dicks. You don't have to like them to like their music.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:58 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I just think that Kanye is severely overrated. Him being a complete tool shed makes me hate him even more.
I bet I hate Ryan Adams more than you hate Kanye.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:07 pm to bobbyray21
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There's just no possible way that the people saying that "Kanye sucks" or "Kanye is the most overrated act since The Beatles" have actually listened to MBDTF in its entirety. That album is a masterpiece. It's both the most ambitious mainstream hip-hop album ever made,and the best produced.
I absolutely have. i think Kanye is good. I like Kanye, and I really like he's outsized ego, which is honestly pretty funny. Besides, we need more rock stars who act like rock stars. I've got no problems with that.
I'm pointing out that he is literally the most critically praised artist of ALL TIME, and that's a little absurd. No one, not even Dylan, has had such critical consensus not just of his greatness, but of his being superior to every other current act. I don't blame him for being an egotist, he's had more sunshine blown up his arse than any artist in the history of pop music.
Most ambitious hip hop album ever? Really? Paul's Boutique never happened? The Chronic? Low End theory? Revolution Eternal? Black Star? It Takes a Nation of Millions? Madvillainy? I mean, it's ambitious, I agree. It's just not uniquely ambitious. It's that kind of overpraise that I find obnoxious. Kanye can't be really good, he has to be the best ever.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:08 pm to trillhog
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hello. i'm Kendric Lamar, to me a benz is just a car.
You can lyrically nitpick for any artist, including Kanye and Jay Z
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:10 pm to Baloo
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I'm pointing out that he is literally the most critically praised artist of ALL TIME, and that's a little absurd.
I don't see how you formed this opinion
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:17 pm to Baloo
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I'm pointing out that he is literally the most critically praised artist of ALL TIME, and that's a little absurd.
i agree with this, i think he's brilliant in his genre, but so are many others in other genres, he just has a nack for getting media attention and that's really all it is.
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You can lyrically nitpick for any artist, including Kanye and Jay Z
i love that lyric, not nitpicking.
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:18 pm to Buddy Garrity
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I don't see how you formed this opinion
Because, if you had been reading above, Kanye West has been named as having the Pazz and Jop album of the year 3 times in the space of 6 years. Pazz and Jop is a compilation of all major music critics in the country, and is the best guague of critical consensus. the only other artist to have three Albums of the Year is Dylan, but two of those were what I call lifetime achievement awards, when we got together in the late 90s and early aughts and pretended Dylan's new albums were on the same level as Blood on the Tracks.
Those are late career victory laps. No artist has ever had such critical consensus proclaiming his greatness to this degree during their artistic prime. Kanye is literally the most critically praised pop music artist in history.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:26 pm to trillhog
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i love that lyric, not nitpicking. This post was edited on 5/7 at 3:18 pm
Thought you were discrediting his ability due by saying thats a weak line
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:36 pm to Baloo
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I'm pointing out that he is literally the most critically praised artist of ALL TIME, and that's a little absurd. No one, not even Dylan, has had such critical consensus not just of his greatness, but of his being superior to every other current act. I don't blame him for being an egotist, he's had more sunshine blown up his arse than any artist in the history of pop music.
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Most ambitious hip hop album ever? Really? Paul's Boutique never happened? The Chronic? Low End theory? Revolution Eternal? Black Star? It Takes a Nation of Millions? Madvillainy? I mean, it's ambitious, I agree. It's just not uniquely ambitious. It's that kind of overpraise that I find obnoxious. Kanye can't be really good, he has to be the best ever.
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But you don't actually think that, right? I mean you mentioned Bob Dylan, and I'm certain he could put out an album with 80 minutes of his armpit farts and it would get five stars across the board from every music critic and their cousin.
Radiohead could smack their cocks from thigh to thigh for 80 minutes. Same result.
I'm sure we could come up with others.
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I stand by my statement. It was an album that was unquestionably designed to be a groundbreaking album. And he pulled it off.
I'm not sure if I love your examples of other ambitious rap albums. Well, they're okay, but i would put Speakerboxx/The Love Below ahead of them in the ambitiousness department.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:50 pm to bobbyray21
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But you don't actually think that, right? I mean you mentioned Bob Dylan, and I'm certain he could put out an album with 80 minutes of his armpit farts and it would get five stars across the board from every music critic and their cousin.
Radiohead could smack their cocks from thigh to thigh for 80 minutes. Same result.
I'm sure we could come up with others.
sure we could, but here's the point. As gloriously overpraised as Radiohead is, and I agree, they are obnoxiously overpraised, Radiohead has not had as much plaudits heaped upon them as Kanye. Radiohead is overpraised and even they aren't as overpriased as Kanye. that's staggering.
Dylan's a tad different because a lot of his current praise is just nostalgia, which is is irritating, but no one really believes it. And Dylan actually has been ripped critically (two words: Christian period, two more: Self Portrait). From 1976 or so to about 1990, he couldn't buy a good review except from his most fawning sycophants.
I like Kanye. I think he's good. But he's not the producer Dre is and he's not the lyricist Talib Kweli is, for example. I think its telling that your bent out of sorts not that I'm positing that Kanye isn't really good, but that he isn't the undisputed best working artist. It's like even the slight bit of dissent is blasphemy to Kanye fans.
Look, hip hop has largely lost me in the past decade. I think Kanye is better than his contemporaries primarily by default. I do prefer Outkast to Kanye, but I also prefer pretty much every 80s act to both of them, so perhaps I'm the wrong guy. Everybody's flow is crap, including Kanye (except Kweli, and maybe Jay Z, which is why I like him better). But give me Tribe Called Quest or Eric B and Rakim.
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