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Is anybody concerned about the "CORE Curriculum" being adopted by the states?


I read up on it, and so far, I don't see anything particularly political in it. However, I am concerned that if the Federal Government is now going to determine what is taught to our children, that we will lose control of this at the local level.

For example, the Fed could decide that our children should be taught that the moon is made of Swiss cheese, and then every school in the land will have to teach that ridiculous piece of information - ridiculous, since we all know that the moon is made of blue cheese...







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re: Is anybody concerned about the "CORE Curriculum" being adopted by the states?


Big thread on here previously.

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I am concerned that if the Federal Government is now going to determine what is taught to our children


Federal government isn't involved.

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we will lose control of this at the local level.


This already happened long ago at the state level.






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It is a simple matter of mind control of children, and it involves as fact absolute Bull shite as a means of indoctrination of children.





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Only reason I'm not too worried (at this point) is that Texas has chosen not to adopt it. (And also I don't have any kids)





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Chuck Barris
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However, I am concerned that if the Federal Government is now going to determine what is taught to our children, that we will lose control of this at the local level.

The federal government didn't develop or write any part of Common Core. The extent of federal involvement is that the feds are awarding "points" to states in their competition for funding if the state adopts Common Core or a similar curriculum based on job and college readiness.

I don't know anyone who has actually read the Common Core standards that objects to them. Common Core isn't about teaching certain facts, like "The Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776" or something. It's about knowing how to understand what you read, how to communicate when you write, and how to know what processes to apply in math. It's basically a list of math, reading and language skills that a student should reach at each grade level. There is no social studies component. You can see all the standards yourself at the Common Core Standards site. Here are some examples:

Math - Grade 7: Identify the constant of proportionality (unit rate) in tables, graphs, equations, diagrams, and verbal descriptions of proportional relationships.

Reading - Grade 4: Explain how an author uses reasons and evidence to support particular points in a text.






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Math - Grade 7: Identify the constant of proportionality (unit rate) in tables, graphs, equations, diagrams, and verbal descriptions of proportional relationships.


Oh hell no. No government of mine is going to do this. I don't want them to teach this obviously communistic stuff. We should all not listen to this.

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Reading - Grade 4: Explain how an author uses reasons and evidence to support particular points in a text.


This is obviously an attack on religion. And not just any religion, but my christian religion. How can they do that and get away with it?

This is nothing but an attempt by the government to get religion and morality out of school so they can push their gay/lesbian agenda.

And also abortion.






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Jax-Tiger
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I don't know anyone who has actually read the Common Core standards that objects to them. Common Core isn't about teaching certain facts, like "The Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776" or something. It's about knowing how to understand what you read, how to communicate when you write, and how to know what processes to apply in math. It's basically a list of math, reading and language skills that a student should reach at each grade level.


I understand this. But what if, at some point, they put in something along the lines of "understands the science behind Global Warming and the effect that it will have on our environment."?






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Jax-Tiger
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Federal government isn't involved.


The hell they aren't.






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I understand this. But what if, at some point, they put in something along the lines of "understands the science behind Global Warming and the effect that it will have on our environment."?


What was stopping states from doing that before Common Core?






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Jax-Tiger
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What was stopping states from doing that before Common Core?


Nothing. But you understand that I can move from one state to another if I disagree with what the laws and regulations in one state. Note how many people are leaving California...

I'm sure you also understand that it is easier to change a law at the local level than at the state level, and easier to change it at the state level than at the federal level.

I can call my state representative on the phone - he lives in my neighborhood. I wouldn't bet the house that I can get my US Congressman on the phone line to discuss this...






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Nothing. But you understand that I can move from one state to another if I disagree with what the laws and regulations in one state. Note how many people are leaving California...


So move to Texas, North Carolina, or one of the other states not involved in CC. Private school and home school are also options.

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I'm sure you also understand that it is easier to change a law at the local level than at the state level, and easier to change it at the state level than at the federal level.


I'm sure you understand that membership in CC is a state-level decision.

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I can call my state representative on the phone - he lives in my neighborhood. I wouldn't bet the house that I can get my US Congressman on the phone line to discuss this...


Did you previously do this to express your opposition to membership in CC?









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Chuck Barris
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I understand this. But what if, at some point, they put in something along the lines of "understands the science behind Global Warming and the effect that it will have on our environment."?


1. Who is "they" in this scenario? The federal government didn't play a part in writing Common Core or dictating its content. The only "they" who could change Common Core would be the people who wrote it, i.e. David Coleman/the College Board Corporation.

2. There are no science standards for the same reason that there are no social studies standards. The people who developed the Common Core don't see a need for them because they are focused on how students process information from either the written word (covered in the reading standards) or numbers (covered in the math standards.

3. If science standards were invented, there is no reason to believe that they would be substantially different from the reading and math standards, which are all about processes of understanding information and not facts. For example, there is no standard like "Understands the use of metaphor in Shakespeare's plays."

Since Common Core was created due to concerns from the business community and written and controlled by an organization that's never displayed any sort of political agenda aside from revising assessment, there's just no logical reason to believe that the things you're afraid of would ever happen. It's like arguing that the city council shouldn't build a public park because they might someday replace the swings with a pit full of HIV infected syringes. I suppose it's technically possible, but there's no reason for it to happen, the people behind it have no motivation to do it or track record of doing similar things, and it's completely different from the original purpose of the project.






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Jax-Tiger
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Did you previously do this to express your opposition to membership in CC?


No. Mainly because I, like so many others, did not know it was being voted on. I am not uninformed, but this was not done with a lot of fanfare.

As I said, my concern is not with what's in the bill, but I think we're going to find out what's in it, now that it has been passed.

True, states can choose to not adopt Common Core, just like they can choose to not adopt a legal drinking age of 18. Eventually, the money will get all of the states on board.

So you are saying that the common core curriculum will NEVER have any specific requirements about what is taught. There will never by suggested or required reading lists, or anything else that might be political. That's my concern. Not that I see a communist under every rock...






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So you are saying that the common core curriculum will NEVER have any specific requirements about what is taught. There will never by suggested or required reading lists, or anything else that might be political. That's my concern. Not that I see a communist under every rock...


Honestly, all of your concerns have already been voiced and (for the most part) dismissed on here already. There are reading lists you can look up that I think you will find more than acceptable. The curriculum objectives are broadly stated and leave implementation and materials in the hands of local districts and teachers for the most part. The only objectionable issue broached on the board so far seems to surround the future of social studies/civics/government education in public schools, but even this is a state issue.



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Chuck Barris
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So you are saying that the common core curriculum will NEVER have any specific requirements about what is taught. There will never by suggested or required reading lists, or anything else that might be political. That's my concern. Not that I see a communist under every rock...


That's the thing: it's not a curriculum, it's a set of standards.

Curriculum = teach x,y,z material
Standards = students should be able to do x,y,z

I feel very comfortable in saying that there will never be reading lists, suggested reading, or anything like that. It's not in the interest of the people who control common core to do those things.






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That's the thing: it's not a curriculum, it's a set of standards.


Would this not be a de facto curriculum, though, since regional assessments (i.e. PARCC) are being developed to test these standards?






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I am concerned that if the Federal Government is now going to determine what is taught to our children


Federal government isn't involved.




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The Obama Administration is intent on nationalizing the content taught in every public school across America. Without congressional approval, the Administration has used a combination of carrots and sticks to spur states to sign on to the Common Core State Standards Initiative. Common Core includes standards for English Language Arts (ELA) and mathematics, and federally funded national assessments have been crafted to align with the standards.

The Common Core effort, originally spearheaded by the National Governors Association (NGA) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO), became quickly entangled with Washington. Billions in federal funding was used to create incentives for states to adopt the standards, yet the effort has left state taxpayers to pick up the tab for their implementation, conservatively estimated to cost more than $16 billion.

Growing concern over the national standards push is well-founded: The effort to centralize control of education has never had more momentum. While the Obama Administration has been a driving force behind the Common Core standards, state leaders have also jumped on the bandwagon. With little public notice, 46 states have agreed to adopt the Common Core national standards.

The Department of Education offered $4.35 billion to states in Race to the Top grants, conditioned in part on adoption of “standards common to a significant number of states.” The only standards option that qualified at the time (and currently) was the Common Core State Standards Initiative. Moreover, suggestions that $14.5 billion in federal Title I money for low-income school districts could be tied to standards adoption and, more recently, the availability of No Child Left Behind (NCLB) waivers conditioned on common standards adoption have coaxed many state leaders to go along with the overhaul.

The constitutional authority for education rests with states and localities, and ultimately with parents—not the federal government. The federal government has crossed this line in the past, but dictating curriculum content is a major new breach that represents a critical level of centralization and a major setback for parental rights.


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You and CB58 love you some DoE and federalism.

Yeah, a bump of old thread, but y'all abandoned recent thread. Funny reading your "all in" for CC though.






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PsychTiger
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we all know that the moon is made of blue cheese...


Burn in hell you blasphemous infidel!

The moon is pure cheddar.






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The moon is pure cheddar.


We were always taught it was green cheese.






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PsychTiger
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It's been up there a long time. Some mold is to be expected.





No one better reply with some "facts" about mold not being able to grow in space. Keep your science out of my faith.






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