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Sharia banking

Posted on 5/2/13 at 2:49 pm
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 2:49 pm
Anyone ever utilize no-interest sharia banking, or get a mortgage from one?

If so, how does it work?
Posted by Broke
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 2:50 pm to
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no-interest sharia banking


I'm totally willing to convert for 0% interest
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 2:51 pm to
Someone did a presentation on this in law school, referencing Canon law and such. Probably should have paid closer attention because if they want to hate on usury this much someone pass me the sign in sheet for Islam.
This post was edited on 5/2/13 at 2:52 pm
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 2:55 pm to
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I'm totally willing to convert for 0% interest


I thought they served infidels?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

Anyone ever utilize no-interest sharia banking,
No, but I had to learn all about Islamic banking when I taught a banking course in Islamabad, Pakistan.

quote:

If so, how does it work?
Essentially, the bank buys the house and "leases" it to you, with the lease payments consisting of principal and interest just as if it were a loan.

After you pay the principal off, you own the house.

If you stop making payments, the bank still owns the house and you get nothing back from your payments.
Posted by Broke
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:01 pm to
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I thought they served infidels?


If I wanted to borrow a suicide vest then yeah.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:06 pm to
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principal and interest


so the no-interest part is BS?

or do they just add fees and service charges to replace interest?

Posted by I Love Bama
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:07 pm to
If it seems too good to be true....
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:12 pm to
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so the no-interest part is BS?

or do they just add fees and service charges to replace interest?

It's all a fixed payment "fee" that is not delineated as principal and/or interest.

Only when you analyze the amount of the payments and the number of payments do you realize the payment is suspiciously similar to a fixed rate mortgage loan consisting of principal and interest.

The basis of Sharia banking is that interest is evil, both for loans and deposits, and must be avoided.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:16 pm to
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Sharia banking is that interest is evil,


so basically they just change the name of the profit portion to make themselves feel better

gotcha
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:21 pm to
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they just change the name of the profit portion to make themselves feel better

The Quran forbids profiting at the expense of another believer. But they find a way to get around it somehow and still believe they are adhering to the Quran's principles.
This post was edited on 5/2/13 at 3:22 pm
Posted by foshizzle
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:22 pm to
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It's all a fixed payment "fee" that is not delineated as principal and/or interest.

Only when you analyze the amount of the payments and the number of payments do you realize the payment is suspiciously similar to a fixed rate mortgage loan consisting of principal and interest.


That sounds about right. They basically charge you extra and call it a lease payment whereas we call it P&I.

The major difference is that if you default you have zero equity. Amirite? And I imagine refis have some interesting twists, if they exist at all.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:24 pm to
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The major difference is that if you default you have zero equity. Amirite?
Correct.

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And I imagine refis have some interesting twists, if they exist at all.
Crap, I never got to the part about refis. I have no idea if they do that or not or if they do, how they handle it.
Posted by Tiger4Ever
Member since Aug 2003
36702 posts
Posted on 5/2/13 at 3:26 pm to
These folks haven't figured out running water, plumbing, or how to remove themselves from a shithole (generally speaking of course)...

Why would they have the banking thing figured out?
Posted by Zach
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Member since May 2005
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 4:07 pm to
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The Quran forbids profiting at the expense of another believer.

Correct. I read The Holy Quran in college. Most people think infidels must convert or be killed. They can actually pay a tax to be left alone as non believers.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39553 posts
Posted on 5/2/13 at 5:28 pm to
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They can actually pay a tax to be left alone as non believers.


I believe this was prevalent some time ago as well.

Not anymore!
Posted by jso0003
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 5:35 pm to
so no we pay them welfare AND they bomb us... good to know
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 6:09 pm to
Here’s where you might want to hide your eyes if you're sensitive:

Muhammad was a pedophile, a murderer and no better than a modern day rapist/drug dealing crack whore. Anyone who follows such teaching is dancing with the devil and I for one couldn’t give a good frick if you’re offended or not. Eventually this entire thing is going to catch fire and when it does, I pray I am still around to be part of it. The medieval punishment I would unleash on these 7th century goat fricking cult members would be legendary.


frick them, frick Muhammad, and frick anyone who thinks otherwise.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126942 posts
Posted on 5/2/13 at 7:05 pm to
And he believed in bitcoins.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 5/2/13 at 7:06 pm to
quote:

Muhammad was a pedophile, a murderer and no better than a modern day rapist/drug dealing crack whore. Anyone who follows such teaching is dancing with the devil and I for one couldn’t give a good frick if you’re offended or not. Eventually this entire thing is going to catch fire and when it does, I pray I am still around to be part of it. The medieval punishment I would unleash on these 7th century goat fricking cult members would be legendary.


frick them, frick Muhammad, and frick anyone who thinks otherwise.


Don't hold anything back. Say what you really feel.
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