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Mike da Tigah
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Pentagon: Religious Proselytizing is Not Permitted



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Religious liberty groups have grave concerns after they learned the Pentagon is vetting its guide on religious tolerance with a group that compared Christian evangelism to “rape” and advocated that military personnel who proselytize should be court martialed.


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President Mikey Weinstein and others from his organization met privately with Pentagon officials on April 23. He said U.S. troops who proselytize are guilty of sedition and treason and should be punished – by the hundreds if necessary – to stave off what he called a “tidal wave of fundamentalists.” “Someone needs to be punished for this,” Weinstein told Fox News. “Until the Air Force or Army or Navy or Marine Corps punishes a member of the military for unconstitutional religious proselytizing and oppression, we will never have the ability to stop this horrible, horrendous, dehumanizing behavior.”


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In an interview with the Washington Post, Weinstein called proselytizing a “national security threat.” “And what the Pentagon needs to understand is that it is sedition and treason,” he told the newspaper. “It should be punished.” Perkins said it was troubling the Obama Administration would place so much trust in someone like Weinstein. “Unfortunately, it appears our military is on a forced march away from the very freedoms they are sworn to protect,” he said. “This language from Weinstein that Christians who share their faith or offer comfort to others from their faith in Jesus Christ is “sedition and treason” is a treasonous statement in and of itself.” But Weinstein said they count thousands of Protestants among their ranks – and said they are simply going after fundamentalists. “As soon as we find a fundamentalist Muslim, atheist, Jewish person or anybody else, we will be happy to fight them – but so far they have been few and far between,” he said.











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Revelator
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When I said yesterday that Christians in America would one day be charged as criminals for their faith, multiple posters said that was preposterous. I guess it's only ridiculous until it happens right?





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Mike da Tigah
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When I said yesterday that Christians in America would one day be charged as criminals for their faith, multiple posters said that was preposterous. I guess it's only ridiculous until it happens right?


Our world is changing rapidly, if only in tone and what is being discussed only. If it smells like it, we probably should be careful not to step in it.

The day is fast approaching, and the fact that these people are feeling emboldened to come out and try to institute things such as this only points to who is ultimately in charge in the White House, and the tone coming from it as well as it's occupants.




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JEAUXBLEAUX
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Maybe I read it wrong but where is the discrimination part. Everybody is entitled to their religious beliefs, of course, but no one should try to convert any one else. respect others religious beliefs and don't try to cram yours down their throats. Religion is personal and everyone should respect others. Just keep it to yourself.





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RTR America
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Maybe I read it wrong but where is the discrimination part. Everybody is entitled to their religious beliefs, of course, but no one should try to convert any one else. respect others religious beliefs and don't try to cram yours down their throats. Religion is personal and everyone should respect others. Just keep it to yourself.


You obviously have no idea what religion is about.

Have you ever heard of a missionary?






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Mike da Tigah
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but no one should try to convert any one else


The problems associated with that are many, but chiefly for Christianity, one of the most important aspects of being a Christian IS sharing your faith with others. Denying that is denying religious freedom in America.




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Everybody is entitled to their religious beliefs, of course, but no one should try to convert any one else. respect others religious beliefs and don't try to cram yours down their throats




Christians are commanded by Jesus to share the gospel so that is a integral part of your faith.



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Zephyrius
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It wasn't so long ago that "Catholic" Spain was killing Catholics...





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JEAUXBLEAUX
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Is that why Christians try to convert others? Jewish people never try to convert people. Never knew that. That explains the I have good news for you speeches I have heard. So.. then dies this rule fly in the face of religious doctrine?

Conundrum

Never knew all this. Does this explain the Jehovah Witnesses going door to door and all those preachers on TV? Learn something each day.



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CarrolltonTiger
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Have you ever heard of a missionary?


Just because you join the military you shouldn't be subject to religious pressure. There is abuse in the military when it comes to religious views/activities by aggressive members of cults.

This has nothing to do with chaplin services for members.




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Mike da Tigah
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There are serious freedom of speech issues at play here as well.








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chadau79
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Who is this guy? People will always to recruit others to join their cause, whether it be political ideals, minority action groups, or religion. I can't believe someone in authority is trying to imprison those who practicing an ideal that is protected by the first ammendment. I guess I should learn to expect it from the progressives. It is the ever crushing grip on American freedoms that is going to cause an uprising against the oppressors by regular American people, not the far left or right fundamentalists that you would expect.





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JEAUXBLEAUX
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I would think chaplains serve a greater purpose than trying to convert others. I can't how or why they would be persecuting chaplains.





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AlaTiger
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Maybe I read it wrong but where is the discrimination part. Everybody is entitled to their religious beliefs, of course, but no one should try to convert any one else. respect others religious beliefs and don't try to cram yours down their throats. Religion is personal and everyone should respect others. Just keep it to yourself.


There is so much complete fail in this statement. Where did you get this view from? What makes it true?

Oh, and stop trying to cram your views down my throat. What I do with my religion is up to me and who are you to tell me what to do with it?











See how that works? You just contradicted yourself with your statement. Telling people that they cannot share their religious views because it is cramming their views down someone's throat is actually cramming your view down their throat. What makes you right and them wrong?

And yes, it is an integral part of the Christian faith to share it with others. The "Gospel" is the "Good News" that is to be proclaimed and heralded. Central to Christianity is the sharing of the "Good News" ie Gospel. There is no such thing as private Christianity that keeps it to oneself. It ceases to be Christianity at that point.

So, telling Christians that they cannot share their faith with others is to infringe upon their freedom of religion. Now, they cannot force conversion, but that is also against the teachings of Christianity anyway. Christianity says that a believer is to tell, announce, proclaim, and share the Good News but is to never force his views upon someone else. Of course, having a conversation and sharing a view is not forcing or an act of violence. Where that view comes from and how it is only applied to Christianity is quite interesting.



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Antonio Moss
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The problems associated with that are many, but chiefly for Christianity, one of the most important aspects of being a Christian IS sharing your faith with others. Denying that is denying religious freedom in America.


Understandable but the article references military officers using their position to influence subordinates which would probably violate the Establish Clause. This is a very gray area and I think Weinstien overstates his case. Hopefully the AF can balance an individuals right of free exercise versus using a position of power to influence or push a position.

And no one should go to jail unless the offense is repetitive and egregious.






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Religion is personal and everyone should respect others. Just keep it to yourself.


The same should be said for one's homosexual beliefs






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Mike da Tigah
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Under the guise of tolerance, intolerance is advocated.







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CITWTT
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Bye-bye free exercise clause, we hardly knew you for the last few decades.





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Never knew all this. Does this explain the Jehovah Witnesses going door to door and all those preachers on TV? Learn something each day.



Actually Jehovah's Witnesses go door to door because they believe that a limited amount of people will be allowed into the New Jerusalem and they are awarded points for their efforts.






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RTR America
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The goal of most religions is to share their teachings with people.

Christian missionaries have done more for impoverished areas of the world than any atheist, liberal, environmentalist could dream of.






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