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SHERWOOD KNIGHT
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Has there ever been a mass killing motivated by limited government conservatism?


Just wondering if there has ever actually been a mass murder committed by some guy inspired by limited government conservative beliefs, motivated by talk radio, evangelical Christianity, or the NRA or other conservative affiliated principles.

I am not talking about anti-government anarchist Guy Fawkes types(like Timothy McVeigh), but more along the lines of Rush Limbaugh style conservatism.

Since the left always likes to blame mass killings and other tragedies on "right wing conservatives" before the facts are known, I want to know why because I can't seem to find any occasion where someone has killed in the name of conservatism. It just doesn't make sense. How would killing innocent people advance the cause of conservatism?







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Oh boy youre gonna get it now you rightwingextremistracistgunnutantiwomenantichildrenantiimmigrant person





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Jimbeaux
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re: Has there ever been a mass killing motivated by limited government conservatism?


You've drawn a tight window of a definition.

Does the Jim Jones Massacre count? They wanted less intrusive government INTO THEIR OWN AFFAIRS, but Jones was quite the tyrannical leader once they arrived in Guyana.

Was Tim McVeigh an anarchist?

Do you count the Ruby Ridge incident?

What about the Citizens United freaks who attacked the sheriff's in St. John the Baptist Parish a few months ago?






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skidry
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re: Has there ever been a mass killing motivated by limited government conservatism?


see waco, tx





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Has there ever been a mass killing motivated by limited government conservatism?



Revolutionary War
Civil War






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CowboyPride
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but more along the lines of Rush Limbaugh style conservatism


Sensational, feigned speculation meant to provoke conflict and fear? (and crush ratings )






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Blue Velvet
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re: Has there ever been a mass killing motivated by limited government conservatism?


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see waco, tx
The feds murdered those people for limited government conservatism?






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RhodeIslandRed
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re: Has there ever been a mass killing motivated by limited government conservatism?


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Do you count the Ruby Ridge incident?

Ruby Ridge was murders committed by Federal agents and sanctioned by the U.S. government. Not the other way around.






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re: Has there ever been a mass killing motivated by limited government conservatism?


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Does the Jim Jones Massacre count?


Are you actually calling Jim Jones a conservative?

Dude, go read a fricking history book. He was well known as being way to the political far left.







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re: Has there ever been a mass killing motivated by limited government conservatism?


Waco, TX, was not an act of terrorism.





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re: Has there ever been a mass killing motivated by limited government conservatism?


Don't know about the Civil War.

After Andrew Jackson, D.C. was getting the big government itch.

G.W. killed people in the Whiskey Rebellion.






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Don't know about the Civil War.
I do.

States Rights, et al






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skidry
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re: Has there ever been a mass killing motivated by limited government conservatism?


some would disagree (not me), but thats not what the initial question was.


This post was edited on 4/19 at 4:12 pm


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BugAC
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see waco, tx


I think he meant mass killing motivated by the government, not mass killing committed by the government.






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SHERWOOD KNIGHT
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re: Has there ever been a mass killing motivated by limited government conservatism?


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Does the Jim Jones Massacre count? They wanted less intrusive government INTO THEIR OWN AFFAIRS, but Jones was quite the tyrannical leader once they arrived in Guyana.

Was Tim McVeigh an anarchist?

Do you count the Ruby Ridge incident?

What about the Citizens United freaks who attacked the sheriff's in St. John the Baptist Parish a few months ago?


Jim Jones was a socialist/communist, one of his last words were "This is not how socialists and communists are supposed to act!"

McVeigh was an anti government anarchist type






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Was Tim McVeigh an anarchist?
He could be, but his was a revenge attack that according to him was meant to "provoke thought".






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re: Has there ever been a mass killing motivated by limited government conservatism?


Not a MASS killing per-se but...


On August 31, 1901, Czolgosz traveled to Buffalo, New York, the site of the Pan-American Exposition, where he rented a room at Nowak's Hotel on 1078 Broadway.[16]

On September 6, he went to the exposition armed with a .32 caliber Iver Johnson "Safety Automatic" revolver (serial #A63344[17]) he had purchased four days earlier for $4.50.[18] Czolgosz approached McKinley's procession, the President having been standing in a receiving line inside of the Temple of Music, greeting the public for 10 minutes. At 4:07 pm Czolgosz reached the front of the line. McKinley extended his hand. Czolgosz slapped it aside and shot the President in the abdomen twice at point blank range. The first bullet ricocheted and lodged in McKinley's jacket; the other seriously wounded him. McKinley died eight days later of an infection.

Members of the crowd immediately attacked Czolgosz, as McKinley slumped backward. The President said, "Go easy on him boys. He could not have known." The crowd chained him before the 4th Brigade, National Guard Signal Corps[19] and police intervened.[20] Czolgosz was held in a cell at Buffalo's 13th Precinct house at 346 Austin Street until he was moved to police headquarters.
Trial and execution

Following the assassination, newly inaugurated President Theodore Roosevelt issued a pronouncement declaring: "When compared with the suppression of anarchy, every other question sinks into insignificance.”[21]

On September 13, the day before McKinley succumbed to his wounds, Czolgosz was transferred from the police headquarters, since the headquarters were undergoing repairs, to the Erie County Women's Penitentiary. On the 16th he was taken to the Erie County Jail before being arraigned before County Judge Emery. After the arraignment, he was transferred to Auburn State Prison.[22]

A grand jury indicted Czolgosz on September 16 with one count of first-degree murder. Throughout his incarceration, Czolgosz spoke freely with his guards, but refused every interaction with Robert C. Titus and Loran L. Lewis, the prominent judges-turned-attorneys assigned to defend him, and with the expert psychiatrist sent to test his sanity.[23] A prison guard later came forward claiming that Czolgosz confided in him that because he claimed himself to be an anarchist, he would not talk with any people he viewed as related to authority which included his lawyers or any presiding trial judge.






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re: Has there ever been a mass killing motivated by limited government conservatism?


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Don't know about the Civil War.
I do.

States Rights, et al



From the CSA perspective? If so, I gotcha.






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Scruffy
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Posted by skidry some would disagree (not me), but thats not what the initial question was.
Who instigated that mass killing? Also, there was no political motivation to it all.

Let's also consider that the contention that the authorities fired first is not baseless.






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skidry
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I do not support what happened there at all. I am saying Waco happened because a group of people dared to stand in defiance of their government and the government would not have any of it. So it was political and related to limited government. I think everyone would agree that it was a mass killing too.

ETA and because it meets those three criteria, it fall under the question asked by the OP.



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