Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns. | Page 4 | TigerDroppings.com

Posted byMessage
Indfanfromcol
LSU Fan
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
10969 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

No, a background check can infringe on a citizen's right to bear arms. Doesn't mean the right doesn't exist, just that it is being infringed upon.




You can illegally own a gun, yeah. But do you really think it is infringing on someones rights if you don't allow some who got out of jail on murder to have a gun?






Back to top
theenemy
Arkansas Fan
Member since Oct 2006
5082 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

You can be denied a firearm when you go apply for a background check. So owning a gun is a privilege. Just like a diver's license is a privilege.

If owning a gun was a right, then no one could be denied one.


Ding-Dind-Ding!!!

Dumbest reply of the thread.






Back to top
  Replies (0)
Tiguar
South Alabama Fan
Mobile
Member since Mar 2012
6871 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


Prison seems to really infringe on that whole "liberty" thing





Back to top
Tigerlaff
LSU Fan
Member since Jan 2010
10045 posts
 Online 

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

I had lunch with a guy today that said the best thing that is going to come of this is that in 2014/16 we are going to see such a hard turn to the right the left won't know what hit them. The kind where it will take 20 years for the Dems to recover.


People hadn't had enough by 2012. I don't know why 2016 would be any different.






Back to top
  Replies (0)
TigerTattle
LSU Fan
Out of Town
Member since Sep 2007
5063 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

You can illegally own a gun, yeah
Where did that come from?

quote:

But do you really think it is infringing on someones rights if you don't allow some who got out of jail on murder to have a gun?
Did I say a felon's right to bear arms shouldn't be forfeited? No. But that those rights are forfeited upon commission of a felony doesn't turn the right to bear arms into a mere privilege for non-felons. Bill of Rights. Second one.






Back to top
theenemy
Arkansas Fan
Member since Oct 2006
5082 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

Prison seems to really infringe on that whole "liberty" thing


Apparently voting is now a privilege also.






Back to top
  Replies (0)
USMCTiger03
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2007
63700 posts
 Online 

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

But do you really think it is infringing on someones rights if you don't allow some who got out of jail on murder to have a gun?
Right, because a background check would keep that person from getting a gun or from using some other mechanism to do harm? Certainly it would.






Back to top
lsuroadie
LSU Fan
South LA
Member since Oct 2007
5646 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

days after the Senate voted down a gun violence bill.



Gun violence bill?

I heard something about a gun control bill, but not a gun violence bill?






Back to top
  Replies (0)
Indfanfromcol
LSU Fan
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
10969 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


Again, if it is a right, why isn't everyone able to have a gun?

Example, a family member has PTSD, but in some cases, people with PTSD cannot own a gun permit. In fact, there have been talks of making it a much more common thing to deny those with PTSD a gun permit.

Also, like a drivers licenses, you also have to be a certain age to even own a gun. But it has already been stated in here that having a drivers licenses is a privileged.

And is their any other right in the Bill of Rights that can be taken away like the right to own a gun?


Yes, most people are given the right to have a gun, and it is in the Bill of Rights. But it is the only thing in the bill of rights that can be taken away legally.
But arguing over if it is a privilege or a right makes about as much sense as arguing over a penny. Just offering a different perspective.






Back to top
Indfanfromcol
LSU Fan
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
10969 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

Right, because a background check would keep that person from getting a gun or from using some other mechanism to do harm? Certainly it would.



There was literally a 7 word sentence right before that sentence where I said you can obtain 1 illegally.






Back to top
  Replies (0)
theenemy
Arkansas Fan
Member since Oct 2006
5082 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

Right, because a background check would keep that person from getting a gun or from using some other mechanism to do harm? Certainly it would.


I didn't read the bill. For anyone who did:

Is a background check required before someone steals a gun or can you do that post theft?

Seems like post theft would be easier sense there is no way of knowing for sure whether or not a gun will be available to steal until the theft takes place.

Requiring the background check afterward would streamline the process.






Back to top
  Replies (0)
RolltidePA
Alabama Fan
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
292 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

Example, a family member has PTSD, but in some cases, people with PTSD cannot own a gun permit. In fact, there have been talks of making it a much more common thing to deny those with PTSD a gun permit.


What in the hell is a gun permit? I don't how all of the states work, but where I've got my guns (Pennsylvania), you walk into the shop, pick your gun, you fill out the forms and they run your background check, you pay and leave with your gun.

I don't know if in the South there are Jim Crow laws left on the books where you have to get a permit to buy a gun, but I am really confused about what the heck a gun permit is.

quote:

And is their any other right in the Bill of Rights that can be taken away like the right to own a gun?

Yes, most people are given the right to have a gun, and it is in the Bill of Rights. But it is the only thing in the bill of rights that can be taken away legally.
But arguing over if it is a privilege or a right makes about as much sense as arguing over a penny. Just offering a different perspective.


Considering the 2nd amendment is in the bill of rights and not the bill of privileges, I think it's safe to say it's a right. But that's all semantics, in function it operates the same way.






Back to top
  Replies (0)
TexasTiger1185
LSU Fan
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
9838 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

Having a gun should be a privilege for those who aren't crazy and a non criminal


Should be a what?






Back to top
  Replies (0)
GallatinTiger
LSU Fan
Hendersonville, TN
Member since Apr 2004
1907 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

Doing things outside of Congress isn't the best procedure here.


Like this actually bothers him? Nothing in the crappy track record of this regime suggests this dictatorial approach bothers them.






Back to top
  Replies (0)
tigerpawl
LSU Fan
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
5172 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.
If you ever wondered what a dictatorship looked like in the early stages, there's your answer...






Back to top
  Replies (0)
BestBanker
New Orleans Saints Fan
stuck in a moment
Member since Nov 2011
3325 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

Not one single thing he can do that will influence what I do.


And "take advantage of every crisis".






Back to top
  Replies (0)
OLDBEACHCOMBER
LSU Fan
Member since Jan 2004
4426 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


Excutive actions by any president that are to be inforced as Laws that were not created in congress
are not valid, as in the past struct down by the Supreme Court.
The problem is it seems to me that the Obama camp has a lot of pictures with Goats/Sheep and various other animals with Senators, Congressmen and women preventing the candy arse republicans
from doing anything but bitch about him.






Back to top
PRK
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2009
8843 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


Gun violence has killed nearly one million people since 1980.


It's time for gun reform. It's time for waiting periods. It's time for background checks. It's time for registration. It's time for extended magazine and assault weapons bans.







Back to top
fleaux
LSU Fan
section 0
Member since Aug 2012
6772 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

It's time for gun reform. It's time for waiting periods. It's time for background checks. It's time for registration. It's time for extended magazine and assault weapons bans


Why, so law abiding citizens have to go through all that crap and the criminals keep doing what they are doing now?






Back to top
  Replies (0)
MikeBRLA
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
9284 posts

re: Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.


quote:

It's time for gun reform. It's time for waiting periods. It's time for background checks. It's time for registration. It's time for extended magazine and assault weapons bans.


If you want to live in a place that has all of these things, please feel free to move there. That's not how we do things here in America. This is a free country.






Back to top
  Replies (0)


Back to top