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re: Does Olapido just not do it for anyone else?
Posted on 4/18/13 at 2:13 pm to KG5989
Posted on 4/18/13 at 2:13 pm to KG5989
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His % are so good because majority of his baskets came during transition offense where he would just dunk it. Not a good half court player and disappears when you set up the offense and run it. His shot did improve a lot from last year to this season, but still don't think it's a good shot.
You don't know what you're talking about.
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Posted on 4/18/13 at 2:16 pm to KG5989
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His % are so good because majority of his baskets came during transition offense where he would just dunk it.
I would assume that this is largely true for him to be shooting 60%, but 44% from 3 taking 2 3s a game makes me wonder how justified the general criticism of his offense is. 2 guard version of Trevor Ariza certainly seems too negative.
Posted on 4/18/13 at 2:19 pm to supe12sta12z
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His % are so good because majority of his baskets came during transition offense where he would just dunk it. Not a good half court player and disappears when you set up the offense and run it. His shot did improve a lot from last year to this season, but still don't think it's a good shot.
59.9% from the field 44% from 3 pt and over 70% from the FT line. I'd say that's a pretty good shot. He is a good spot up shooter so how will he not fit in a half court offense? Not to mention, in the half court offenses they ran, he slashed a lot and high percentages says he finished well.
You've maybe just watch the YouTube highlights?
Posted on 4/18/13 at 2:23 pm to TigerinATL
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I would assume that this is largely true for him to be shooting 60%, but 44% from 3 taking 2 3s a game makes me wonder how justified the general criticism of his offense is. 2 guard version of Trevor Ariza certainly seems too negative.
I think it can also justify how efficient he is and doesn't jack up low percentage shots...
Posted on 4/18/13 at 2:31 pm to BarbaricPelican
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59.9% from the field 44% from 3 pt and over 70% from the FT line. I'd say that's a pretty good shot.
Tyson Chandler led the NBA in FG%. Doesn't mean he's a good shot. 72% from the line doesn't mean you're a good shot. The fact that he went from 31% from 3 as a frosh to 21% as a soph to 44% as a junior means he is inconsistent.
His FG% is so high because the majority of how points come on layups- drive to the baskets and in transition.
And most NBA guards are good spot up shooters. No big deal since those opportunities are few and far between. Oladipo can't create or get off his own shot with any sort of efficiency.
You guys essentially want to draft a tony Allen or Bruce Bowen in the lottery.
Posted on 4/18/13 at 2:34 pm to GynoSandberg
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You guys essentially want to draft a tony Allen or Bruce Bowen in the lottery.
Who has more offensive ability. And more potential offensively. In this draft, that's worthy of a lottery pick.
This post was edited on 4/18/13 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 4/18/13 at 2:35 pm to GynoSandberg
It's true that Oladipo will likely never become an iso scorer. But he can create and get off his shots well enough to be a threat. Him not being able to create has been overstated.
If he's a Bruce Bowen, you'd essentially hit the jackpot... especially when Anthony Davis is the guy you build around.
If he's a Bruce Bowen, you'd essentially hit the jackpot... especially when Anthony Davis is the guy you build around.
Posted on 4/18/13 at 2:39 pm to GynoSandberg
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You guys essentially want to draft a tony Allen or Bruce Bowen in the lottery.
It also shows his ability to improve. Like his coach said. Iggy shot 45% FG 31% 3pt 79% FT. And in Iggy's first year he shot 20% from 3 etc. and he took pretty much the same amount of 3s so that's not in question.
I guess you wouldn't consider Iggy in the lottery??
This post was edited on 4/18/13 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 4/18/13 at 2:44 pm to GynoSandberg
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You guys essentially want to draft a tony Allen or Bruce Bowen in the lottery.
That sounds bad on the surface but remember this is in comparison to what other options the pick can get you. If the Pelicans pick 5th, I honestly don't think there's much separating Oladipo/Burke/Shabazz I wouldn't be particularly happy or mad at any of those 3 getting picked.
Posted on 4/18/13 at 2:51 pm to TigerinATL
There's no wing in this draft that finishes in contact anywhere as well as Oladipo. This guy has an uncanny ability to finish in traffic in the paint. Especially after contact. This is the biggest reason for his high percentage. He's pretty much automatic once he gets to the basket.
I don't know how well this translate but this is probably his most understated strength.
His real concerns has to do with height and how reliable that 3 point shot's going to be in the league.
I don't know how well this translate but this is probably his most understated strength.
His real concerns has to do with height and how reliable that 3 point shot's going to be in the league.
This post was edited on 4/18/13 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 4/18/13 at 2:53 pm to BarbaricPelican
Did he improve or simply rebound from a shitty sophomore season?
Has a college coach ever said anything negative about a player entering the draft?
His percentages dipped significantly from his freshman to sophomore year. Back up again this season.
What's the plan for him if we draft him?
Trade EG and let him start out the gates?
Draft him and let him backup EG for 3 years and let him play 20 mpg a night?
Play him at SF and let him guard the LBJs, Melos and Durants of the world?
Or maybe draft a piece that fits better with the team?
And Andre Igoudala stepped in the NBA and was a good shooter and was relied on heavily to score the ball. You think Oladipo is ready to do that?
Has a college coach ever said anything negative about a player entering the draft?
His percentages dipped significantly from his freshman to sophomore year. Back up again this season.
What's the plan for him if we draft him?
Trade EG and let him start out the gates?
Draft him and let him backup EG for 3 years and let him play 20 mpg a night?
Play him at SF and let him guard the LBJs, Melos and Durants of the world?
Or maybe draft a piece that fits better with the team?
And Andre Igoudala stepped in the NBA and was a good shooter and was relied on heavily to score the ball. You think Oladipo is ready to do that?
Posted on 4/18/13 at 2:57 pm to GynoSandberg
Why can't he step up. His defense translates like Iggy's did so he can focus on offense. He can guard 1,2, and most 3s. Our perimeter defense is abysmal. We all know EJ isn't here the long run. Either will be shipped out by deadline or have a good couple of seasons and opt out.
He was solid as a freshman. Bad sophomore season but great junior season. That shows that he has the potential to improve and be a much better offensive player than the two comparisons you named.
He was solid as a freshman. Bad sophomore season but great junior season. That shows that he has the potential to improve and be a much better offensive player than the two comparisons you named.
Posted on 4/18/13 at 2:59 pm to TigerinATL
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You don't know what you're talking about.
Ha ok. Go watch a bunch of games from Indiana the past 2 seasons. Not just highlights, full games.
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I would assume that this is largely true for him to be shooting 60%, but 44% from 3 taking 2 3s a game makes me wonder how justified the general criticism of his offense is. 2 guard version of Trevor Ariza certainly seems too negative.
Like I said, his shot has improved a lot. And he deserves credit for that because his work ethic and motor is off the charts. But, he also shot 20% the season before. Worked his butt off and improved. I give him that. But, hes not a natural shooter/scorer. He cant go left. He gets out of control and turns the ball over a lot. Over 2/3 of his shots came from the basket area and 30% of his used possession came in transition. He can drive and finish at the rim in transition really well. That is why he shot 60% last year. But he shot just 21.1% on jump shots and only 18% on catch and shoot opportunities. Can he get to the rim as well as he did in college?? Maybe. Maybe not. Defenders just have to sag off of him and cut him off going to the rim. Basically give him the jump shot.
Will his high 3pt % last in the NBA? Im not sure. But I will give him the praise of being an extremely hard worker, unselfish player, and a great athlete.
And i thought comparing him to a 2 guard version of Trevor Ariza was better than saying he is Tony Allen. Ariza brings more offensive game than Tony Allen.
And I like Oladipo a lot . His attitude, work ethic, toughness, and leadership is off the charts. Hes a good defender. Good rebounder. He is pretty much good at every aspect of the game, except the offensive end.
Posted on 4/18/13 at 3:03 pm to BarbaricPelican
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You've maybe just watch the YouTube highlights?
Hahaha no I think you have. I watched almost every Hoosier game for the past 2 seasons. The kid scores in transition. Disappears in half court. Not a great shooter. His 3 % were great this year and he improved. Just read what I posted above.
Posted on 4/18/13 at 3:03 pm to BarbaricPelican
Well Tony Allen was a better scorer in college than Oladipo. So i don't know.
I like Oldaipo and his intangibles. I just don't think he's the answer for the Pelicans and the quest to build a better team.
I like Oldaipo and his intangibles. I just don't think he's the answer for the Pelicans and the quest to build a better team.
Posted on 4/18/13 at 3:03 pm to KG5989
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Ha ok. Go watch a bunch of games from Indiana the past 2 seasons. Not just highlights, full games.
You still don't know what you're talking about. He scores just as much in the half court set as he does on the break. And you know what? They're not all dunks.
This post was edited on 4/18/13 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 4/18/13 at 3:07 pm to supe12sta12z
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You still don't know what you're talking about. He scores just as much in the half court set as he does on the break. And you know what? They're not all dunks
Waitwut
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Over 2/3 of his shots came from the basket area and 30% of his used possession came in transition. He can drive and finish at the rim in transition really well. That is why he shot 60% last year. But he shot just 21.1% on jump shots and only 18% on catch and shoot opportunities.
Posted on 4/18/13 at 3:10 pm to supe12sta12z
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And you know what? They're not all dunks.
Haha whatt?
Over 2/3 of his shots came from the basket area. While they might not all be dunks, they are basically layups.
30% of his used possession came in transition. He can drive and finish at the rim in transition really well. That is why he shot 60% last year. But he shot just 21.1% on jump shots and only 18% on catch and shoot opportunities.
Gyno we rarely agree on things, but we agree on this one
Im in the same boat as you. Love the kids intangibles and his work ethic, toughness, and motor. But dont think hes the answer. I know a lot of people are down on him, but I still want Otto Porter and think he fits best with what we are doing. Hopefully he will be there when we pick. If he goes 1 spot ahead of us its all Marcus Smarts fault.This post was edited on 4/18/13 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 4/18/13 at 3:11 pm to GynoSandberg
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Waitwut
2/3 of those shots came from the basket area. But they weren't all in transition nor were they all dunks. People need to watch him play. He plays off ball in the half court set and is usually trying to find open space. That's where he does a lot of his damage.
Posted on 4/18/13 at 3:12 pm to KG5989
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aha whatt?
Over 2/3 of his shots came from the basket area. While they might not all be dunks, they are basically layups.
30% of his used possession came in transition. He can drive and finish at the rim in transition really well. That is why he shot 60% last year. But he shot just 21.1% on jump shots and only 18% on catch and shoot opportunities.
Gyno we rarely agree on things, but we agree on this one
Stop talking out of your behind. You clearly don't watch him play.
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