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re: Dell Demps
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:42 pm to danman6336
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:42 pm to danman6336
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But my god that move with Jack was TERRIBLE
Yes and no. On the one hand the move cleared the cap space that lead to Lopez. Lopez for Jack is a solid move. On the other hand this was yet another good will gesture and I'm not sure how much that actually gets you. I'm assuming all the minutes Henry is getting right now is Monty and Demps letting him audition for his next job on another team. All the marginal players in the league that can't get good offers will be dying to be Pelicans. Not a bad thing but is it worth sacrificing trade assets and flexibility?
The flip side of the good will coin is Morey in Houston who supposedly has a bad rep with agents for things like never offering extensions. That lack of good will didn't seem to stop him from building a solid young core from the supposed NBA dead zone of the playoff bubble.
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:44 pm to brmark70816
That would lead us to be a 40-45 win team for years
That would get us nowhere
That would get us nowhere
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:45 pm to Gtothemoney
Why should they get any blame? Look at the circumstances. We knew we'd suck. Gordon would have to play lights out all season for us to have any shot at competing for a playoff spot. This season went like many of us expected. When you have Aminu as you're starting SF, you're gonna suck. Plain and simple. Can you at least try being patient until we are able to get some real talent around us? If we dont improve drastically next year, I will be blaming both Monty and Dell because we have the cap space to get talent, and Monty will have the talent to run a real defense and hopefully a better offense. If Monty and Dell both do their jobs, we should be in the playoffs next year.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:45 pm to brmark70816
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For the same money we are playing for Anderson, we could have kept the other 3.
The other three make a combined $3m more than Ryno, and Ryno is the best player of the lot. And Jack had nothing to do with Ryno, he was dealt after Anderson was on the team so as to free up space to take on Lopez.
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3. Not move Ariza and Okafor in a salary dump.
No one even thought what Demps pulled off was possible. It was THAT good of a move.
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The team would have looked like this..
Vasquez/Jack/Roberts
Martin/Rivers
Aminu/Ariza/Miller
Davis/Landry/Ayon
Okafor/Motie/Smith
Davis almost certainly wouldn't be on the team if we had made those moves.
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That's a horrid foundation
This.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:46 pm to TigerinATL
quote:That's highly debatable
Lopez for Jack is a solid move.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:50 pm to TigerinATL
Also, the only really outstanding move he has made was the Vasquez trade
That's it
Other than that he's made ok moves (Chris Paul trade, Anderson trade) neutral moves (letting Landry leave, trading Ariza and Oak for cap space) and shitty moves (re-signing Gordon, falling in love with Rivers at the draft, trading Jack)
He's made one outstanding move so far. I just don't understand why he's so above criticism on this board after doing really nothing particularly special since he's been GM
That's it
Other than that he's made ok moves (Chris Paul trade, Anderson trade) neutral moves (letting Landry leave, trading Ariza and Oak for cap space) and shitty moves (re-signing Gordon, falling in love with Rivers at the draft, trading Jack)
He's made one outstanding move so far. I just don't understand why he's so above criticism on this board after doing really nothing particularly special since he's been GM
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:51 pm to danman6336
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That's highly debatable
Really? Bench guard for Bench big. Jack may be a better bench player, but Lopez is younger and on a better contract, there were no minutes for Jack and there were plenty of minutes for Lopez.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:51 pm to brmark70816
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3. Not move Ariza and Okafor in a salary dump. I didn't like either player, but they both play solid defense. Plus they would have been more attractive this season for other teams in a salary dump.
What. The. frick.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:53 pm to brmark70816
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Accept the Houston trade for Gordon
Stopped reading here. Ignorant move.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:54 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Don't under play Jack's ability to make a point
Bench guard for Bench big
Jack has proven beyond any doubt he is a solid starting NBA PG
Lopez has proven nothing except that he's a decent rotation guy
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:56 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Yea, because lord knows this team has just been killing it at back up combo guard this year
there were no minutes for Jack and there were plenty of minutes for Lopez.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:59 pm to danman6336
Lopez: 17th among centers in PER
Jack: 31st among PGs in PER
If we don't (essentially) trade Jack for Lopez, who is our starting C this season?
Jack: 31st among PGs in PER
If we don't (essentially) trade Jack for Lopez, who is our starting C this season?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:01 pm to THRILLHO
Jason Smith
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:01 pm to memphstigers23
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Accept the Houston trade for Gordon
Stopped reading here. Ignorant move.
Meh. No one knows what Houston was offering. If it was Martin/Toronto's first/PatPat or the first that became Lamb, then that was probably worth getting rid of the Gordon headache. At this point, less probably is worth it for most people.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:03 pm to danman6336
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Yea, because lord knows this team has just been killing it at back up combo guard this year
They wanted to see what Rivers could do. He didn't work out, but he was clearly improving later in the season. You don't give up an opportunity to develop a guard you expect to be a major part of your future for a solid but unspectacular 29 year old, especially when you're 2 or 3 years away from making noise in the playoffs.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:04 pm to THRILLHO
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Lopez: 17th among centers in PER Jack: 31st among PGs in PER
I like PER and I'm fine with the Jack for Lopez swap, but that is a misleading #. Cs almost universally have a higher PER because they shoot better %s, grab more boards, and have less TOs.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:06 pm to corndeaux
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Cs almost universally have a higher PER because they shoot better %s, grab more boards, and have less TOs.
That's why I posted their rank compared to players of the same position. That big men typically have higher PER's has no bearing on Jack having 30 PGs ahead of him and Lopez having 16 centers ahead of him.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:06 pm to danman6336
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Jason Smith
Who's hurt right now
Lopez for Jack got us help at a position of need.
Roberts has been really solid at back up PG so it's no big deal.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:08 pm to Gtothemoney
This will be the first offseason, the team won't be tied to any truly bad contracts. Demps will have flexibility and cap space to mold the roster. What he did last season to create cap flexibility was nothing short of amazing. Let's see how he does without any handicaps. We've yet to see what Demps is really capable of. With nothing to hold him back for the first time since he was hired, it'll be interesting to see what he does.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:09 pm to danman6336
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Jason Smith
Much more of a PF before and would have been unlikely to make it a full season at center (and he didn't).
LINK
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``No one has really addressed me about that, but I know that is a possibility,’’ said Smith, who is the only current player on the Hornets’ roster that has played significant time at center. `` I know I would definitely have to work on my body because I know I am an undersized center in the NBA.’’
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