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corndeaux
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HoopChalk on Davis


Old article, but I hadn't seen it yet. Sorry if Germans, but time for something other than attendance threads.

It breaks down his already great pnr game. How he finds space and how he opens up the floor for teammates.

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The most impressive part of Davis’ offensive repertoire may be his varied pick and roll game. He is scoring 1.06 points per play as the pick and roll dive man, good for 28th in the NBA. He shoots 52.4% and draws a shooting foul a 9.3% of the time on the play. It isn’t just these superb stats though. It’s the beyond-his-years way he has been playing in the pick and roll; knowing when to roll, when to pop, and when to pass.


This link was in a review of Davis's season from At the Hive. Pretty standard look at his numbers and his injuries. Worth a read.

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Gtothemoney
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Please, please, put some talent around this guy. If he's not a Pelican the rest of his career, it will be a tragedy.





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Please, please, put some talent around this guy.


To compliment him PERFECTLY, we need a bruiser down low to do all the dirty work, a quick PG that can penetrate and hit spot jumpers and hit him on the PnR, and a 3 that can score and spread the floor.






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we need a bruiser down low to do all the dirty work, a quick PG that can penetrate and hit spot jumpers and hit him on the PnR, and a 3 that can score and spread the floor.


I agree with this, but the bruiser needs to be able to hit a 15 footer so Davis can hang out on the baseline from time to time.






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corndeaux
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If/as Davis gets bigger, Anderson is a perfect complement as a stretch 4. If you want to get funky, you put a smaller player (Vasquez) down low- maybe down screen for Davis to get things started and then hang around the block/short corner. His man, in theory a g, has no chance of stopping Davis on a roll.

For a C/bruiser, IMO being mobile enough to run some pnr and skillful enough to hit that short corner jumper would be ideal. Lopez has seemed to do that pretty well this season.







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WhoDatPelican596
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All of this can be addressed in this offseason. And I can't wait





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brmark70816
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Anderson is a perfect complement as a stretch 4.


I have been thinking about this for awhile and I still don't get the crazy love Anderson gets. What great value is there in a full time "stretch 4"? There are not many examples of them in the league and none shoot as many three's as Anderson does (6+ a game, no one else is even close). When compared to the rest of the players in the league, he is not a great shooter. He is not even in the top 40 in 3pt %, so I'm not sure why he has the green light or viewed as such a threat. I'm just trying to understand the value in taking a position defined by force (PF or C) and moving that player 20 feet away from the basket all the time. I'd rather have a SG or SF that is a 3pt threat and have 2 power players in the post.






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Bout_Dat_Lyfe
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I understand what you mean, but I think down the line assuming: a)Davis tacks on mass and b)Anderson is still signed with us, he'll be a very strong part of the rotation and we'll be something like the Magic a few years ago. I think the low shooting %'s mainly come from him having to press sometimes because he was our only offensive option a lot of times.





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brmark70816
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I understand what you mean, but I think down the line assuming: a)Davis tacks on mass and b)Anderson is still signed with us, he'll be a very strong part of the rotation and we'll be something like the Magic a few years ago


I believe that depends on what type of player you project Davis to become. I may be wrong, but I never see him becoming a power Center (ala D. Howard). I think it will be years until he can even play Center full time. He is tall and long, but his games revolves around speed, timing and effort. I don't see why it is necessary to take special talents and distort them to fit something he is not.

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I think the low shooting %'s mainly come from him having to press sometimes because he was our only offensive option a lot of times.


His numbers are almost identical to what he shot last year. But I guess it is a possibility. I just don't see a future with Anderson and Davis together. They don't fit.






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corndeaux
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There are not many examples of them in the league and none shoot as many three's as Anderson does (6+ a game, no one else is even close). When compared to the rest of the players in the league, he is not a great shooter. He is not even in the top 40 in 3pt %, 


Your first sentence nails it. He is rare. He hits 40% of his 3PA on a crazy number of attempts. That type of efficiency is unheard of. Seriously, how many sfs or sgs shoot 40% from 3 on that many attempts? Its a 3pt league and a pf that can do that is a rare bird.

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I'd rather have a SG or SF that is a 3pt threat and have 2 power players in the post. 


Anderson forces teams to abandon the lane. You put the other teams's 4 in a difficult position, out of the paint and guarding the 3pt line and give your own attackers more space.

His defense is poor, but he is a decent rebounder- a very good offensive one- who can score 20 pts efficiently and doesnt turn the ball over. The Hornets had a top 15 offense mainly because of the work and the threats of Anderson and Davis.

What they need is a 3 who defenses have to at least pay attention to and this offense will take off.

ETA- LINK

In NBA history, 37 seasons where a player had > 6 3pa/game and shot over 38%. Anderson has done it twice. Only other repeaters- Ray Allen, Peja, Rashard Lewis, and Jason Richardson.



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brmark70816
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Seriously, how many sfs or sgs shoot 40% from 3 on that many attempts? Its a 3pt league and a pf that can do that is a rare bird.


That is my point. I don't know why the team is trying something so odd. I know that Dirk is a great shooter, but he limits his 3pt shots and shoots better % accross the board (plus he gets to the line more). It's just a strange experiment and seems unnecessary..

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What they need is a 3 who defenses have to at least pay attention to and this offense will take off.


I still don't understand why Anderson doesn't play SF. It doesn't matter that he can't defend it, cause he can't guard PFs either. But in your scenario, Davis is either playing Center or on the bench. Two things I want nothing to do with..






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corndeaux
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Seriously, how many sfs or sgs shoot 40% from 3 on that many attempts? Its a 3pt league and a pf that can do that is a rare bird.


That is my point.


I think you missed my point. Doing what Anderson does is very, very rare. 25 Players in 30 years have done it. When your shooting ability puts your name in the company of Allen, Miller, Stojakovic, Curry, you're doing something very right.

Plus, like I said earlier, he opens up the floor. One big, rim protecting player is off by the three point line, unable to help on drives and in a poor position to rebound. If he cheats too much, then a deadly 3pt shooter gets a wide open look.

He offers an elite skill- why does position matter? Why does he have to fit into the traditional PF must bang and play in the paint role?

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I know that Dirk is a great shooter, but he limits his 3pt shots and shoots better % accross the board (plus he gets to the line more)


Career TS% (True Shooting Percentage calculates shooting percentage adjusting for the value of free throws and three-point field goals.PTS / (2 * (FGA + 0.44 * FTA))-

Dirk 58% Ryno 56%

Career eFG% (Measures field goal percentage adjusting for the fact that a 3-point field goal is worth one more point than a 2-point field goal.= ((FGM + (0.5 * 3PM)) / FGA)-

Dirk 51% Ryno 53%

Because he is able to hit his 3PA at such a high rate, Anderson has been one of the most efficient offensive players in the entire NBA over the last 3 seasons.

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Davis is either playing Center or on the bench. Two things I want nothing to do with


Meh. They don't have to play together all the time. And Davis doesn't have to guard the C.

Anderson really is a great complement for where Davis will be over the next 3-5 years. Davis will get bigger and he will get better. Larry Sanders plays center pretty damn well and is 235. Davis doesn't need to be a full time C, but he will certainly be able to play some minutes there.

That said, Anderson isn't untouchable. IF a good deal comes along, I have no problem moving him. But he's a very good NBA player just starting a very good contract.






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Jester
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What great value is there in a full time "stretch 4"? There are not many examples of them in the league


Well, Dirk Nowitzki does pretty well for himself. Also, having a unique skill set probably makes him more valuable than less...






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