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I confess: I didn't understand "The Master"

Posted on 4/10/13 at 5:58 pm
Posted by nvcowboyfan
James Turner Street, Birmingham,UK
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/10/13 at 5:58 pm
Watched this last night. Does anyone have a clue if there was an underlying message or story?
-was waking up on the beach where it started mean it was all a dream?
-was the PSH influence just a big gay come-on?

This post was edited on 4/10/13 at 6:10 pm
Posted by WPBTiger
Parts Unknown
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/10/13 at 6:01 pm to
The only thing good about that movie was the nudity.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
39161 posts
Posted on 4/10/13 at 6:05 pm to
PTA doesn't seem to like religion or at least religious leaders so I think it had something to do with that. The movie was rumored to be about scientology. I think he was just saying religion doesn't work.
Posted by The Eric
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
20982 posts
Posted on 4/10/13 at 6:06 pm to
Not a dream.

It was boring a movie as I can remember though.

A shot at Scientology despite what the writers say in public.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/10/13 at 6:21 pm to
quote:

Does anyone have a clue if there was an underlying message or story


There is an underlying message but not much of a story. The message is about the primal state of man and the influence religion has upon us. Phoenix is in every way an uncivilized man while PSH is the opposite. The two are drawn to each other because, at their core, they are the same. This is no more apparent than when PSH and Phoenix wrestle in front of the house. PSH is able to contain his animalism and exert power over a mass of people through religion. Phoenix never fully comes under the sway of religion, and remains PSH's foil, or perhaps more accurately, the mirror PSH's true self.

The movie itself, though, is fricking terrible. It is of little redeeming value. The plot is scattered, the message hidden and convoluted, and the direction and editing abysmal. There are a handful of great shots, and the acting is great, but the movie fails to accomplish anything.
Posted by TigerMyth36
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/10/13 at 6:35 pm to
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The only thing good about that movie was the nudity.




If you like big bush old women.
Posted by nvcowboyfan
James Turner Street, Birmingham,UK
Member since Nov 2007
2954 posts
Posted on 4/10/13 at 6:44 pm to
quote:

There is an underlying message but not much of a story. The message is about the primal state of man and the influence religion has upon us. Phoenix is in every way an uncivilized man while PSH is the opposite. The two are drawn to each other because, at their core, they are the same. This is no more apparent than when PSH and Phoenix wrestle in front of the house. PSH is able to contain his animalism and exert power over a mass of people through religion. Phoenix never fully comes under the sway of religion, and remains PSH's foil, or perhaps more accurately, the mirror PSH's true self.


That's kind of what I thought, but it seemed like a bunch of the movie was "artsy" for the sake of being "artsy"
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
33919 posts
Posted on 4/10/13 at 6:48 pm to
quote:

The only thing good about that movie was the nudity.


The only nudity in the film happens like five minutes before the movie ends and the scene was relatively brief.


Edit: Forgot about all the nude girls dancing scene. Still, that scene wasn't very erotic and didn't last very long either.
This post was edited on 4/10/13 at 8:42 pm
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/10/13 at 6:57 pm to
quote:

If you like big bush
That I do.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12268 posts
Posted on 4/10/13 at 7:52 pm to
quote:

That's kind of what I thought, but it seemed like a bunch of the movie was "artsy" for the sake of being "artsy


Correct. PTA went full Malick.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
39727 posts
Posted on 4/10/13 at 8:45 pm to
Heck, I love all of his movies, but this was a swing and a miss. Some nice acting but the story wasn't fleshed out enough.

Just didn't care about anything.
Posted by Fenwick86
Member since May 2007
3515 posts
Posted on 4/10/13 at 11:43 pm to
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was waking up on the beach where it started mean it was all a dream?


I took it to mean that his relationship with "The Cause" brought about no change in his life. He ended up where he started: an addict drifter with a self-destructive personality looking for meaning in his life. Like many soldiers who struggle to cope with their experiences and who struggle adjusting to society upon returning, Freddie feels his life with erroneous things (perversion, drug addiction, obsession, a cult) and is left empty. Its easy to imagine someone like Freddie coming home from war lost and confused and deciding to join a cult. The message is not supposed to be apparent, its supposed to leave us asking questions, almost like if we would have devoted our lives to cult in hopes to find lifes answers but ended up leaving the cult as lost as we were upon joining. Thats a small part of what the movie was trying to say...I think, maybe...could be way off. I didnt fully understand the movie either but I thought it was very very good, and well worth a second viewing. Intelligent and challenging, very well crafted (of course, PTA) and the acting was as good as I have seen.
Posted by Rittdog
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed
Member since Oct 2009
9955 posts
Posted on 4/10/13 at 11:54 pm to
OT:

Hard to believe PTA is married to Maya Rudolph.
Not that there is anything wrong with her, just that its kind of out of not a pairing one would suspect.
Posted by HerbEaverstinks
Member since Jan 2011
4484 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 7:27 am to
The main thing I got from the movie is a feeling that everybody is crazy.

Actually, pretty dramatic depiction. All levels of intelligence, everybody, they are AND we are all fricking nuts!!!!!!!!!!!

For that depiction, slap in the face until it's a brand new startling revelation, I
Posted by ColaTiger
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2013
2193 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 7:32 am to
quote:

-was waking up on the beach where it started mean it was all a dream?


Come one, brah. Only the worst writers still do that shite.
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