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re: After giving Promet[h]eus a shot on cable
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:08 pm to BOSCEAUX
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:08 pm to BOSCEAUX
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I believe the original Alien left just as many unanswered questions and we had to wait some 30 years just to get the answer to one (the space jockey) we still don't know who sent the distress signal or why the ship was full of eggs.
The space jockey is in no way important in the film, the narrative or the story.
Fans made it so by wondering about it. So Scott tried to answer them.
What other questions did Alien leave?
You can make up questions, but the movie itself, as presented, doesn't really pose that many. That's why it is satisfying and widely recognized as a classic.
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Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:32 pm to Freauxzen
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Prometheus brought with it certain expectations that were not met in any form
I disagree. First saying it couldn't decide if it wanted to be stand alone or a prequel, I thought it was more than obvious it was going with prequel considering all the things that we saw. It answered some old questions and posed some new ones and it also has sparked all kinds of debate not only on this board but all over (that's something in itself). I liked it (not love) but liked it and look forward to the next one. I also love LOST so maybe that's why questions unanswered don't bother me so much.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:42 pm to BOSCEAUX
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I also love LOST so maybe that's why questions unanswered don't bother me so much
Lost is by far my favorite tv show and I liked prometheus (though lost is far superior). I wonder where people in this thread fall:
A. Like both
B. hate both
C. Only like lost
D. Only like prometheus
I bet most would answer a or b.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:45 pm to Freauxzen
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What other questions did Alien leave?
It left a lot of who and why questions but this was the first installment so they were obviously moving forward and not going back. Now that they have started at the beginning (even for us our creation) I expect there to be questions left unanswered until the journey from this new beginning culminates in hopefully a successful prequel trilogy.
I believe the one thing you said that actually got under my skin was comparing what Scott did to the Alien franchise to what Lucas did to Indy. These two movies were not even in the same realm, yes some did not like Prometheus, some did, all hated crystal fricking skull with a passion and felt Lucas had arse raped their childhood. Even that crappy Tom Hardy lite looking dude was not as bad as Shia was.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:46 pm to blueboy
i thought it had some good points like the beginning of earth and it had a good feel to it.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:47 pm to BOSCEAUX
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Prometheus brought with it certain expectations that were not met in any form
I disagree. First saying it couldn't decide if it wanted to be stand alone or a prequel, I thought it was more than obvious it was going with prequel considering all the things that we saw.
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In May 2009, Fox said that the project was a "reboot"[68] of the Alien franchise, and soon afterwards was reported as an untitled prequel to Alien.[
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Scott developed a story that precedes the story of Alien but is not directly connected to that franchise. According to Scott, although the film shares "strands of Alien's DNA, so to speak", and takes place in the same universe, Prometheus explores its own mythology and ideas.
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Scott stated that "while Alien was indeed the jumping-off point for this project, out of the creative process evolved a new, grand mythology and universe in which this original story takes place. The keen fan will recognize strands of Alien's DNA, so to speak, but the ideas tackled in this film are unique, large and provocative."[81] In June 2011, Scott and Lindelof confirmed that Prometheus takes place in the same universe as the events of the Alien series.[82][83] In July 2011, Scott stated that "by the end of the third act you start to realize there’s a DNA of the very first Alien, but none of the subsequent [films]."[70]
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Lindelof said that the other parts of the script were strong enough to survive without the Alien hallmarks, such as the Alien creature, which he believed had been diluted by the exposure it had received.[83] He said, "[The producers] were just looking for someone to say to them, Hey, we don’t need the Alien stuff in here. It shouldn’t be about that. It can be a part of this movie, but it shouldn’t be what it’s about."[89] Lindelof said that the film could instead run parallel to the Alien series, and that a sequel would be Prometheus 2 and not Alien, and submitted an idea for how such a sequel could work. Lindelof met with the producers the following morning, and was hired shortly afterwards in late 2010.[30][89] Under Lindelof, the script diverged from Spaihts's Alien prequel into an original creation.[30]
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The history of the project is littered with a lot of back and forth comments over prequel and not, and Scott and Lindelhoff (Lost...go figure), stating that it's ideas were just so amazing!
Fact is, Scott didn't trust his ability make a new property, he attached merely to Alien for effect sake, and I think that hampered.
I think the film could have been better as a stand alone film about the creation of humanity.
I think Scott could have done equally as well with a very strict Alien prequel.
As stated, by himself, he tried to make a new film out of the "same DNA," and it stunk.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:51 pm to Qwerty
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I wonder where people in this thread fall:
A. Like both
B. hate both
C. Only like lost
D. Only like prometheus
I bet most would answer a or b.
I hate Prometheus because it really shite on its origin and really couldn't decide what questions it wanted to ask and answer (mostly because the narrative was hamstrung by trying to appear as a prequel).
I love to hate Lost. It was ambitious, fun, interesting, clever, crazy, unrealistic, etc.
But it was not some transcendent show that was awesome. It was merely very good and also couldn't decide what it wanted to be (Hello Damon!) It was vapid and left open far too many important plot points. It was a lot of fun for an experience though, as frustrating as it was.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:51 pm to Freauxzen
i have a feeling i will hate this movie on a second viewing
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:51 pm to DelU249
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We should know what it is and what it does to understand exactly what kind of threat it poses to the earth
I'll go ahead and take this one. This is where ninja turtles came from. It is what it is. Hope this helps.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:51 pm to Qwerty
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Lost is by far my favorite tv show and I liked prometheus (though lost is far superior). I wonder where people in this thread fall:
LOST is mine also, I just have a feeling when everything is said and done with the future Prometheus movies that people may look back and realize it wasn't as bad as they once thought.
Also Charlize was thrown in there for star power but I also did like the is she a robot or isn't she angle they were playing. She called Weyland father (obviously too old to be her father) as did David. You had the scene where she offered to bang Elba but it never showed it, and then you had the scene where she over powered David against a wall. Alien universe androids are strong as frick.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:56 pm to BOSCEAUX
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It left a lot of who and why questions but this was the first installment so they were obviously moving forward and not going back. Now that they have started at the beginning (even for us our creation) I expect there to be questions left unanswered until the journey from this new beginning culminates in hopefully a successful prequel trilogy.
But what specific questions did Alien not answer that were actually important to that very movie?
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I believe the one thing you said that actually got under my skin was comparing what Scott did to the Alien franchise to what Lucas did to Indy. These two movies were not even in the same realm, yes some did not like Prometheus, some did, all hated crystal fricking skull with a passion and felt Lucas had arse raped their childhood. Even that crappy Tom Hardy lite looking dude was not as bad as Shia was.
I don't know, read the first few pages of the thread, there's a lot of vitriol. I think it's a fair comparison. The difference is that Indy is far more universal and works at an endearing emotional level, which made the reaction that much more personal. It's a bigger and more emotionally invested audience, if that makes sense. It's also part of "childhood," for a lot of people, and again, that makes it A LOT different. But the effect is the same, people were just more offended by Crystal Skull.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:58 pm to Freauxzen
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I think Scott could have done equally as well with a very strict Alien prequel.
As stated, by himself, he tried to make a new film out of the "same DNA," and it stunk.
I believe it was trying to be more than that. Throughout the entire movie I felt this grand overtone of evolution obviously (worm with a face hugger looking head, not yet fully evolved alien) the ooze in my opinion is an evolution kick starter (primordial ooze so to speak) and effects different species differently depending on their advanced evolutionary state. This is a concept I believe the next movies will explore more.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:58 pm to BOSCEAUX
Everyone will hate me for saying this, but I'm not so sure that she actually died. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see her as a stowaway, android or not, in the sequel. I'm not saying it is a good idea, but it's possible.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:00 pm to BOSCEAUX
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I believe the one thing you said that actually got under my skin was comparing what Scott did to the Alien franchise to what Lucas did to Indy.
yeah, its more like what lucas did with the prequels.
explaining long standing mysteries and myths belittles their effectiveness. did we really need to know what the space jockeys were all about? not really. all that mattered in alien was that they found a ship with eggs in it. all prometheus added was that they were coming for earth. kindof boring, not nearly as cool as the endless possibilities we've all imagined since seeing alien for the first time.
Scott should have left the script alone, and shot Speihts original idea. instead, he brought on lindlehof to cram in some Alien mythology and story links and convoluted the whole thing.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:00 pm to Freauxzen
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But what specific questions did Alien not answer that were actually important to that very movie?
The distress signal always bothered me, it seemed like a setup but by who?
Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:02 pm to Freauxzen
How were the eggs hatched though thank god scott left his version of their life cycle out
Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:03 pm to DelU249
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thank god scott left his version of their life cycle out
You talking about a queen? That was the one thing that bothered me about Aliens in retrospect. If the queen lays these eggs where was the queen in the first one.
This post was edited on 4/10/13 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:18 pm to BOSCEAUX
No that's Cameron's eusocial take, I like that. YouTube alien deleted scene
People get turned into eggs
People get turned into eggs
Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:23 pm to BOSCEAUX
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The distress signal always bothered me, it seemed like a setup but by who?
You could assume Weyland, I mean they did plant an android with those goals intact, bring it back at all costs.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:28 pm to Freauxzen
But how did weyland know about the planet or signal? Did they know about aliens?
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