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theunknownknight
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And he would need 139 possessions on offense alone just to average 10 apg

Facts...






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theunknownknight
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ETA: Listen, you're borderline retarded. Just look at my numbers. They're right.


The only way you would arrive at 10 rpg at 115 possessions is to ASSUME he gets offensive rebounds at the same rate he gets defensive rebounds. Which he clearly doesn't as he shoots the most in his team. His defensive rebound rate is SIX TIMES greater than his offensive rebound rate at .01397.





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jturn17
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offensive rebound rate at .01397.


You have no idea how to calculate offensive rebound rate.






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bobbyray21
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The only way you would arrive at 10 rpg at 115 possessions is to ASSUME he gets offensive rebounds at the same rate he gets defensive rebounds. Which he clearly doesn't as he shoots the most in his team. His defensive rebound rate is SIX TIMES greater than his offensive rebound rate at .01397.



Dude, again, just look at my numbers. They're right.

His rebounding percentage is 13.1. This includes all available rebounds. I didn't pull that number out of my ass.

Look at it yourself: Lebron James Stats at Basketball Reference.






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bobbyray21
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You have no idea how to calculate offensive rebound rate.


He should just look at my numbers. They're right.






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theunknownknight
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Rebound rates are based off total average possessions. The shooting percentages even out over time.

The facts are simple. He rebounds the other teams misses and very few of his team's misses.

You have to take into account the rate differences on each side of the floor to determine total possessions. It's not difficult. But like I said, your numbers are making invalid assumptions and fail to address the 139 possessions Lebron would need to average 10 apg






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bobbyray21
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Rebound rates are based off total average possessions. The shooting percentages even out over time.



No, they aren't. Jesus tittyfricking Christ.

Rebound rate: the percentage of missed shots a player rebounded while he was on the floor.

The above is not up for discussion. However, here is something that is up for discussion:

Is the poster who goes by
quote:

theunknownknight
dumber than:
(a) A bag of hammers
(b) A bag of dicks
(c) A bag of shit
(e) All of the above

I look forward to the ensuing discussion on this exceedingly relevant topic.

ETA: this is a serious poll. Dude is THAT dumb.



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theunknownknight
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Rebound rate: the percentage of missed shots a player rebounded while he was on the floor.


Missed shots is related to the total number of possessions HOW? Directly or inversely?

What were debating relating to Oscar Robertson? POSSESSIONS or missed shots?

Are you a freaking retard?

I am taking the directly proportional stat we are DISCUSSING related to rebounds and drawing the RELATED conclusion.

Let me show you how dumb you are. This whole discussion started with a WHAT IF POSSESSIONS increased to 115. Then you discussed missed shots which convolutes the discussion at hand.

WHAT IF teams shot as well as they did in the 80's with the NBA as a whole averaging over 50%? Less rebounds occur.

BUT if we stick to possessions and assume the CURRENT shooting percentage then the total number of possessions being increased compared to today would yield a more accurate comparison between 115 and 93 when it comes to the rebounding rate PER POSSESSION.






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EyeoftheEldrick12
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It's simple... GOAT!





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bobbyray21
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Missed shots is related to the total number of possessions HOW? Directly or inversely?

What were debating relating to Oscar Robertson? POSSESSIONS or missed shots?

Are you a freaking retard?

I am taking the directly proportional stat we are DISCUSSING related to rebounds and drawing the RELATED conclusion.

Let me show you how dumb you are. This whole discussion started with a WHAT IF POSSESSIONS increased to 115. Then you discussed missed shots which convolutes the discussion at hand.

WHAT IF teams shot as well as they did in the 80's with the NBA as a whole averaging over 50%? Less rebounds occur.

BUT if we stick to possessions and assume the CURRENT shooting percentage then the total number of possessions being increased compared to today would yield a more accurate comparison between 115 and 93 when it comes to the rebounding rate PER POSSESSION.




Listen, this will be the last time I reply to one of your posts because I fear a potential Flowers For Algernon effect. You're literally that fricking dumb.

1. We are debating whether Lebron would have averaged a triple double in 1961 and 1962 when stats were inflated.

2. To that end, I have run numbers in a sensible, logical -- read: correct -- and easy to follow manner. Everybody understands the conclusion that I have arrived at because my steps are clear.

3. Why in the world would you -- or anyone else performing a rebounding calculation -- ever ever ever choose to use # of possessions instead of missed shots?

4. Of course they're correlated. Congratulations, you're math is completely incorrect but does bear some semblance of correlation to the correct math that I posted two pages back.

5. Rebounding Rate == (100 * Total Rebounds * (Team Minutes / 5)) / (Minutes Played * (Team Total Rebounds + Opponent Team Total Rebounds))

Formula give here: LINK and
LINK

6. The above formula is official and certifiable

7. Just like your mental retardation

8. I will not respond to another of your posts. You are much too stupid to debate with, and in fact are too stupid to even insult.

9. Good day then.

10. One more thing: just look at my numbers, dude. They're right.



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jturn17
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Rebound rate is a term of art. If you're going to use that terminology, you have to use it in the correct manner. You can't make up a new definition for this discussion. Call your new made up stat whatever you want, but don't choose a term of art that's already in the lexicon.





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eyeran
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From espn insider, Lebron's "worst" games this year:
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We could marvel at his consistency. You probably don't remember a bad game from James this season and that's because he was pretty much a human metronome of dominance this season. At his worst, he was Blake Griffin. No, seriously. Take James' worst 10 games of the season by Game Score (a PER-like metric developed by John Hollinger to evaluate single-game performances) and you'll find that he averaged 19.3 points, 8.7 rebounds and 5.2 assists in those duds. Griffin this season? 18.2 points, 8.4 rebounds and 3.7 assists.

In other words, statistically on his worst days, James was an All-Star big man. Maybe even a little bit better.

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We could also mention that we've never witnessed 26.9 points, 8.1 rebounds and 7.2 assists on 56.2 percent shooting in NBA history. Not Jordan. Not Oscar. Not Bird. Not Magic.

But it's the 56.2 percent shooting that stands out. Let's try to wrap our heads around that. In order to catch James in field goal percentage, Durant -- he of an amazing 50.6 shooting percentage of his own -- would have to make his next 176 shots without missing once. And that's just to catch James. What about Kobe? Making 300 straight wouldn't even do it for Kobe; he'd need 49 more.

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At just 28, James is wrapping up his fourth MVP in five seasons, a feat that only Bill Russell has accomplished. When we look back on James' 2012-13 campaign, we'll remember it for the way he made an incredibly difficult game look impossibly easy. Whether you examine his gaudy stat line or his mesmerizing game film, this is as close to basketball perfection as we'll ever see.



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WITNESS23
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Listen, this will be the last time I reply to one of your posts because I fear a potential Flowers For Algernon effect.








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WITNESS23
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loved that article





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jturn17
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We could marvel at his consistency.
Consistency is one of the most underrated attributes in sports. Knowing what you're going to get from a guy every night makes it much easier to build a team around them and with them.



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