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Nuts4LSU
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Technically, yes...but we both no this isn't how it is in real life.


It really is pretty close to how it is in real life as far as the law is concerned. It's just the practical reality that in most families, it's still usually the mother who is the primary caregiver and usually the father who works the most and makes most of the income. So, when it's time to decide in a divorce case who should take care of the child and who should work to earn money to pay child support, it's usually the mother taking care of the child and the father paying child support. There are many exceptions, and when the above "usual" scenario is not true, judges are typically very open to custody/support arrangements that do not resemble the old-school traditional approach.

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And I was also talking about divorce with no kids as well in terms of splitting assets and alimony


There's no presumption in favor of the wife in these cases, either. Alimony is not the norm these days in any case, but when there is alimony, it generally is paid by the spouse with more income to the spouse with less. Again, as a practical matter, which spouse is likely to be which in a heterosexual marriage? The husband usually ends up paying to the wife. But as with custody and child support, there are many exceptions and when the wife is the primary breadwinner and the husband has very low income, she's almost as likely to have to pay alimony to him as he'd be if the tables were reversed. Not quite as likely, but almost. As for splitting assets, gender is already irrelevant there in Louisiana for sure, and probably a number of other states. Louisiana's community property laws say each spouse gets half, and no other factors are involved. Some other states may consider fault in the breakup of the marriage, the comparative income and assets of each party, etc.

The point is, as BHP noted, the laws already do not specify gender in these areas. They simply say "the spouse who...", not "the husband..." or "the wife...".



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ChineseBandit58
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two men were never intended to raise kids.

Absolutely - this is my primary opposition to using the word "marriage" to describe civil unions.

Children should never be knowingly placed into an unnatural environment.







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Antonio Moss
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Children should never be knowingly placed into an unnatural environment.


There are so many children in this country that come from broken, dysfunctional families that I have a hard time opposing two people of the same sex that want to love, nurture, and support a child.

You can't tell me that children raised by a homosexual couple won't have a better chance that children raised by some dysfunction single mother.






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SammyTiger
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Children should never be knowingly placed into an unnatural environment.


So they should be raised in the woods?






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ChineseBandit58
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You can't tell me that children raised by a homosexual couple won't have a better chance that children raised by some dysfunction single mother.

Why are those the only two options?

Do you think there are no dysfunctional homosexual unions that just might want a 'baby boy' of about 6 or 7 to 'raise?'

Perhaps at this moment, there are few of those kinds of unions - but now that homosexual relations are the 'cool' thing to do, don't you think that MANY pedophiles will suddenly find a 'loving' partner to 'marry?'

There is nothing wrong with civil unions. There is nothing natural about two homosexuals raising children.

WHY cannot the creativity of homosexuals (that is what I have heard they are really good at) be used to come up with an alternate word to 'marriage?' - I can think of a few myself.

We could call their civil unions "magnolias" or "paradise" or "synchronism" or thousands of other words - why do they want to be called "married?"

Marriage is as different from homosexual unions as is magnolia.

Marriage traditionally means the creation of a family unit for the purpose of procreation, and the protection of that special assignment is the basis of all civilization everywhere in the world.

Homosexual attraction and unions are not a new phenomenon. It has coexisted with marriage for many thousands of years.

It is only recently, with the degradation of all societal norms as a whole, that such a union has been celebrated as an 'equal' status as a marriage.

Equating these two institutions is nothing more than another assault on the degradation of the family unit. The more the family can be destroyed, the more dysfunctional children --> adults will be created.

And to what end? So homosexuals can "feel better" about their living arrangements?

I say bull shite - and I don't care to hear about the fact that OTHER aspects of a traditional marriage are also falling apart. Just because marriage is under attack from other enemies doesn't mean we should just surrender to the latest attack.

There will be much destruction of children's futures - and therefore society's - when they are routinely placed into homosexual relationships just to appear 'tolerant' of some group's DESIRES.

Try to convince me of the origin of some 'right' for two men to raise a child. Nature itself has endowed that right to heterosexual unions. And the fact that some accommodations have to be made for orphans or abuse victims doesn't mean that a universal right exists for just ANYONE to take possession of a child's future.






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SammyTiger
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There is nothing wrong with civil unions. There is nothing natural about two homosexuals raising children.


There is nothing natural about in vitro fertilization but that doesn't mean it is wrong, or bad for the child.

Also two gay penguins in germany raised a chick together. So there is that. If your wondering they are two male penguins a group of 20 other penguins who only attempt to mate with each other, and have now hatched and are raising an abandoned egg.

Nature






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TigerintheNO
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I think the better question is-

A gay couple adopts a child where it legal and moves to a state like Louisiana where gay couples aren't allowed to adopt a child, then they divorce. Is child support mandated for a child that isn't legally yours?






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ChineseBandit58
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There is nothing natural about in vitro fertilization but that doesn't mean it is wrong, or bad for the child.

Also two gay penguins in germany raised a chick together. So there is that. If your wondering they are two male penguins a group of 20 other penguins who only attempt to mate with each other, and have now hatched and are raising an abandoned egg.

Nature


Interesting - only to the extent that is conflicts with what everyone knows to be 'natural.'

Aberrations happen all the time. I wouldn't want you to label homosexuals as aberrations, now would I?






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Revelator
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Gay marriage is going to raise your taxes



The tax breaks that are offered to married couples would then be offered to gay couples. And since the tax breaks would result in less money coming into the gov. coffers than they are getting now having them file separately, the loss revenues will have to be recouped somehow. And that somehow is to raise taxes on everyone else. :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:



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BayouBlitz
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Children should never be knowingly placed into an unnatural environment.


I believe, stastically, children from same sex (both men and women) couples do as well or better than the average (level of education, quality of career, etc.)

With all the children being born into single parent homes these days, I welcome gay couples adopting. Studies show that 2 parents (any combination) are better than 1.

Mankind splitting the aton isn't 'natural'. Nor is flight for humans. Pretty lame argument.






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SammyTiger
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Interesting - only to the extent that is conflicts with what everyone knows to be 'natural.'

Aberrations happen all the time. I wouldn't want you to label homosexuals as aberrations, now would I?


Thats because people like to think they know what natural means and not actually look to nature and see what is there.

Probably because it doesn't tie into what they believe.

You already labeled them as unnatural. i don't see why you have a problem with aberrations.






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iwasthere
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What tax break are you talking about exactly?

The only difference is filing status. Married filing jointly is the same amount as single times 2.






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Revelator
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What tax break are you talking about exactly? The only difference is filing status. Married filing jointly is the same amount as single times 2.



LINKhttp://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/tax-tips/Family/7-Tax-Advantages-of-Getting-Married-/INF17870.html






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iwasthere
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The majority of tax payers don't fall into those categories. Most people would come out better if they weren't married. Especially if they have kids.





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Nuts4LSU
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Do you think there are no dysfunctional homosexual unions that just might want a 'baby boy' of about 6 or 7 to 'raise?' Perhaps at this moment, there are few of those kinds of unions - but now that homosexual relations are the 'cool' thing to do, don't you think that MANY pedophiles will suddenly find a 'loving' partner to 'marry?'


What's to stop them from marrying a woman and doing that now, like Jerry Sandusky? Gay marriage won't add to that problem. Hell, the way some idiots equate the two, gay marriages would probably be less likely to facilitate molestation just due to the higher level of suspicion that some would have.

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Marriage traditionally means the creation of a family unit for the purpose of procreation, and the protection of that special assignment is the basis of all civilization everywhere in the world


It has traditionally meant a milion different things. It's been about property, about politics, between a man and a woman, a man and several women, a man and a little girl, a little boy and a little girl, and so on and so on. This notion that marriage has been this stable unchanging institution for thousands of years and this change will completely upset the apple cart is just ridiculous.

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Equating these two institutions is nothing more than another assault on the degradation of the family unit. The more the family can be destroyed, the more dysfunctional children --> adults will be created.


Opponents keep saying that, but you can't for the life of you name one tangible harm that two men getting married will do to your family unit. How is your marriage or your family threatened by two men or two women getting married?






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Nuts4LSU
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The tax breaks that are offered to married couples would then be offered to gay couples. And since the tax breaks would result in less money coming into the gov. coffers than they are getting now having them file separately, the loss revenues will have to be recouped somehow. And that somehow is to raise taxes on everyone else.


So, the MAYBE 1% of the population that are gay and want to get married are going to get enough tax breaks that it will affect government revenues so much that your taxes will have to be raised? Ridiculous.

Even if it did, your justification for denying them marriage is so we can keep taxing them more than everyone else? Really? As if you aren't treating them unfairly enough already, you also have to screw them on taxes? And that's a good reason in your mind? I know there are some religious people who disapprove of homosexuality, but damn, Revelator, you seem like those types who walk into a gay bar with a shotgun and start mowing people down.

You really have some major anger at gay people. Not just principled moral objection, but really serious hate-driven anger.






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cwill
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Just how in the hell is that going to work in the case of a divorce where child support will be mandated to the "dad" or the "mom"? I might not have worded that just right but I hope you see what I'm asking. Several legal questions arise, imo, on gay marriage that I haven't seen asked just yet.


A very simple answer that isn't gender dependent...the primary care parent is awarded the support...you really had to strain your noodle that much to imagine a nonissue?






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DawgfaninCa
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There was recently a case about a lesbian couple that wanted a child. A male friend of theirs donated his sperm. The couple later "divorced." One of woman was on disability and I think the other woman lost her job. Ultimately the court decide the "sperm donor" was responsible for child support.


That ruling will make it a lot harder for lesbians to get their "male friends" to be willing to donate sperm.









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ApexTiger
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here was recently a case about a lesbian couple that wanted a child. A male friend of theirs donated his sperm. The couple later "divorced." One of woman was on disability and I think the other woman lost her job. Ultimately the court decide the "sperm donor" was responsible for child support.




Now that's justice.



Yep, TD reported the story






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DawgfaninCa
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There are so many children in this country that come from broken, dysfunctional families that I have a hard time opposing two people of the same sex that want to love, nurture, and support a child.


Yeah, let's steal the children of those poor heterosexual parents who can't financially provide enough for their children and give the children to those rich homosexual couples who can financially provide everything for them.









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