Nnamdi tidbit (comparing DB's)

Casserly is fricking stupid.

I think it's a good sign we haven't heard any news of Nnamdi shopping other teams.


And the way Ed Reed played out with him being a Texans lock then looking like it fell through only to find out the Texans were courting him all along to finally sign five days later.

Gives me hope.

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And the way Ed Reed played out with him being a Texans lock then looking like it fell through only to find out the Texas were courting him all along to finally sign five days later.

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Very encouraging.



Also looking at the stats above, I just realized what it really tells us: teams will continue to throw at Jabari !

So you use Nnamdi's stats from 2007-2010, but then pick out 2011 for Greer and Revis? I could also dig up some really nice stats for Brian Urlacher (and countless others) from 3-6 years ago. The bottom line is Nnamdi was a below average corner in Philly last year and wasn't much better the year before. He was consistently beaten deep and has clearly lost a step. The stats for the last two years are far more relevant than the ones you posted. Nnamdi graded out well below Greer last year.

In Oakland, Nnamdi was not targeted in part because he stayed on the right side of the defense, which also tends to be the less favored side by qb's. Furthermore, the other corners were pedestrian so that is a big part of why he wasn't challenged. There is no doubt that he was playing at a high level, but there were scouts in that initial free agency period who doubted whether he could replicate that performance in another defense. And those skeptics were justified by his subpar performance in Philly.

I can't understand why people are so excited about the prospect of getting a guy who has clearly lost a step (or two) and has not performed at a high level in three years when there is already a proven, consistent player on the roster at that position in Greer. If Nnamdi could come in and compete with Greer, Robinson, and Lewis and win the job that way, I'd be more than happy with it. But since they likely can't keep all of those salaries (even for a short time), it basically means that they are assuming Nnamdi can play more like he did 3-6 years ago than he has the past two seasons and that's an unacceptable risk IMO.

On a final note, Robinson actually played pretty well the year before last (better than Nnamdi has been playing in Philly). If you are willing to overlook two poor years by Nnamdi, then why can't you look past one by Robinson; especially given he is a young player with the potential to improve?

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he lost a step. in his athletic prime. sure.

or... his best attribute is using his hands and being physical but he was asked to play off in Philly which didnt suit his skills (which is what NFL peeps are saying).

which makes more sense?

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Considering scouts are saying he has lost a step (even those who say he can still turn things around) and the evidence on the field points that way as well, I'll go with that over a generalization about athletic primes. I'd also argue that most players in the nfl are faster at 26 than at 30-31 so I don't even think the generalization stands.

It's also a myth that Nnamdi didn't play press coverage in Philly. It was a zone, but he did indeed get a lot of snaps in press coverage (according to PFF, he got the fourth most snaps in the league in press coverage). And versatility is an important variable as well. Nnamdi's inability to play well in a zone shouldn't be discounted. It speaks to a limitation on his overall talent. On the other hand, Greer came from a primarily zone defense in Buffalo and excelled in the man scheme of Williams as well.

The problem is that people are placing much more weight on reputation/name recognition and not enough on actual, on field production. I could give him a bit of a pass for one off year, but he actually got worse in the second year with Philly and we have players on the roster who have played better than him in that same time span.

On a final note, Nnamdi wasn't all that fast to begin with. So losing a step or two is significant. He was never a burner.

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Considering scouts are saying he has lost a step (even those who say he can still turn things around) and the evidence on the field points that way as well, I'll go with that over a generalization about athletic primes. I'd also argue that most players in the nfl are faster at 26 than at 30-31 so I don't even think the generalization stands. It's also a myth that Nnamdi didn't play press coverage in Philly. It was a zone, but he did indeed get a lot of snaps in press coverage (according to PFF, he got the fourth most snaps in the league in press coverage). And versatility is an important variable as well. Nnamdi's inability to play well in a zone shouldn't be discounted. It speaks to a limitation on his overall talent. On the other hand, Greer came from a primarily zone defense in Buffalo and excelled in the man scheme of Williams as well. The problem is that people are placing much more weight on reputation/name recognition and not enough on actual, on field production. I could give him a bit of a pass for one off year, but he actually got worse in the second year with Philly and we have players on the roster who have played better than him in that same time span. On a final note, Nnamdi wasn't all that fast to begin with. So losing a step or two is significant. He was never a burner.

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I don't care if he's lost 3 steps. He's still better than that shite sandwich the saints put on the field for coverage last year. I'm not pointing out one player because none of them could cover anyone. It was the saddest thing I've ever watched on a football field. Maybe some of it was the coaching but a NFL DB should be good enough to make up for some of that regardless. It doesn't get much worse than what we saw last year so I don't really get where you're coming from when you criticize everything about the guy. Take a look at our DBs last year and tell me they were better lol. I'll wait.

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Then I realized that for the DE spot on his Saints Depth Chart Board was "S. Ellis". It wasn't a close shot of it so I thought that I was seeing things and but then they showed it again.

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I'm sure I saw scott shanle and devery henderson too , but they're in yellow so that means they are FA who were on the team last year?

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Did you even watch the Eagles play? And if so, did you watch the secondary closely? Greer played better than Nnamdi last year. The eyeball test, scouts, stats, and the advanced metrics at PFF all point to that. It's foolish to assume that nobody on the defense played well because the unit as a whole was awful. By your logic (or lack thereof), we should just change every player on the defense. Harper and Jenkins finished at the bottom of the rankings for their respective positions and there was no pass rush. Greer was solid for the most part and Robinson was bad, but Nnamdi was worse. Nnamdi wouldn't be coming in to replace Robinson because he is on his rookie contract. So you have to compare Greer and Nnamdi and if you take unfounded assumptions and name recognition out of the equation, it is evident that Greer has been the better player the last few seasons.

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Where did I say that no one on defense played well? I was strictly referring to the defensive backs. Greer is the only one that played half arse worth a shite. He didn't even play as well as he did in previous seasons. You can say I wasn't using logic all you want but I just don't see where anyone in that defensive backfield played worth a damn. I even said that maybe it was on spags. I don't know because I'm not at practice or in the locker room. At the same time though any DB that has made it into the NFL should be able to cover better than they did 95% of the time last season. I just feel that nnadi is a better option than the players we have.

His best years were under the coordinator we just hired. So I think it's worth a shot. There's no way he could be worse in coverage than Robinson. He was out right awful last year. He wasn't that good in Philly at all, but to just automatically assume he's now garbage is using the same logic (or lack there of) that you accused me of.

Asom.
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